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retardturtle1
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #149 Apr 20, 2010 2:38 pm |
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The question/answer is can a entity which charges for its seal, assuming it still does and you are correct, still provide a valuable service to consumers. They have to survive to stay in business. Charging is a way. Is it for the approval? Is it for the testing to deem worthy? Both? Probably the latter. If the product meets minimal standards it's deemed worthy. If it is so bad, I suspect rather than diminish the value of the seal, especially for other paying product brands who will pull their membership, the entity would refund the money and say sorry. Carmine D.
Hi Carmine
Id like to see some long term tests....say a couple of years [2 and 5] down the road. Give the vac to a fam. of 4....in your avg home, [with annual service/maint ] then do the same rigorous testing that was done when it was new.....i would think this would answer alot of questions/solve problems on overall performance and build quality...how sealed is the hepa system now...or the vacuum itself....i without a doubt believe a bagged vacuum will outperform/ filter and prove itself to be more durable than any bagless [of equal value] across the board...... several years down the road in uncontrolled real life enviorments...those that have proven themselves would recieve ...say the' ULTRA platinum seal of appvl from the CRI-BAF-CR-ect. turtle
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HARDSELL
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #150 Apr 20, 2010 5:56 pm |
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Hi Carmine Id like to see some long term tests....say a couple of years [2 and 5] down the road. Give the vac to a fam. of 4....in your avg home, [with annual service/maint ] then do the same rigorous testing that was done when it was new.....i would think this would answer alot of questions/solve problems on overall performance and build quality...how sealed is the hepa system now...or the vacuum itself....i without a doubt believe a bagged vacuum will outperform/ filter and prove itself to be more durable than any bagless [of equal value] across the board...... several years down the road in uncontrolled real life enviorments...those that have proven themselves would recieve ...say the' ULTRA platinum seal of appvl from the CRI-BAF-CR-ect. turtle What is included in the annual service and what does it cost?
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retardturtle1
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #151 Apr 20, 2010 6:44 pm |
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What is included in the annual service and what does it cost?
Repair/replace whats broke/broken...new belts, bag ,filters, clean out roller bearings ..check out motor, take body apart and wash inside and out
...polish up the outside. keep it looking and running as good as the day you bought from us.....3yrs top to bottom coverage 5 yrs motor....min. on any and all vacs bought from us......if you buy elswhere and bring to us its 29.99 for our outstanding full service perfomed by yours truely. anything worth keeping is worth the maint......no matter what you have or who made it. turtle
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CarmineD
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #152 Apr 21, 2010 7:11 am |
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Hi Carmine Id like to see some long term tests....say a couple of years [2 and 5] down the road. Give the vac to a fam. of 4....in your avg home, [with annual service/maint ] then do the same rigorous testing that was done when it was new.....i would think this would answer alot of questions/solve problems on overall performance and build quality...how sealed is the hepa system now...or the vacuum itself....i without a doubt believe a bagged vacuum will outperform/ filter and prove itself to be more durable than any bagless [of equal value] across the board...... several years down the road in uncontrolled real life enviorments...those that have proven themselves would recieve ...say the' ULTRA platinum seal of appvl from the CRI-BAF-CR-ect. turtle
Hello turtle:
The closest thing that comes to your recommendation is the CR reliability data for vacuums. It comes with alot of caveats in the interpretations of results. The American Society for Testing and Materials [ASTM] was used for a long time in the vacuum industry as the standard for testing vacuum product performance especially with suction and pick up. Ultimately, it comes down to vacuum customers and vacuum stores. Word of mouth among the front line vacuum businesses and their clientele which spreads throughout the industry and markets. Carmine D.
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #153 Apr 21, 2010 9:30 am |
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excellent point.......it all goes in the bag where it belongs ..keeping filters clean ....to filter. if its the hospital standard...then its great for in home use. Good quality bags and filters makes for an unbeatable clean....cant get any better than that. turtle Pretty much strait forward and to the point, The cleaner that does the best job of keeping dirty air and debris out oif the fans,bearings,etc. will last the longest. A clean running electric motor is a happy electric motor. So are we in agreement that a bagged, filtered , is the best for vacuum motor applications? Fan first machines clean very well but require more maintainence, by pass top load uprights are the way to go.And even a true 2 motor upright is a dirt eating machine that will last for an average of 20 years in household aplications. Any body remember the E-LUX D2........... mole
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vacmanuk
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #154 Apr 21, 2010 1:31 pm |
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Pretty much strait forward and to the point, The cleaner that does the best job of keeping dirty air and debris out oif the fans,bearings,etc. will last the longest. A clean running electric motor is a happy electric motor. So are we in agreement that a bagged, filtered , is the best for vacuum motor applications? Fan first machines clean very well but require more maintainence, by pass top load uprights are the way to go.And even a true 2 motor upright is a dirt eating machine that will last for an average of 20 years in household aplications. Any body remember the E-LUX D2........... mole The thing is though, is a clean fan system better than dirty fan though? Ive seen good vacuums last for years in both camps and both are relatively great at pick up.
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retardturtle1
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #155 Apr 21, 2010 4:29 pm |
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The thing is though, is a clean fan system better than dirty fan though? Ive seen good vacuums last for years in both camps and both are relatively great at pick up.
Both systems are bagged/filter...and outer bag as filter......id say the fan first would be the best at deep cleaning. but the clean air would filter better...
quieter (some) ....and dont have to worry about fan breaking...washing the outter bag. ..but a sanitaire comm is a true cleaning beast...i had a 684 and gifted to my sis in law. either of the above are still better than bagless......just my point of view/pref. turtle
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #156 Apr 21, 2010 4:55 pm |
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Both systems are bagged/filter...and outer bag as filter......id say the fan first would be the best at deep cleaning. but the clean air would filter better... quieter (some) ....and dont have to worry about fan breaking...washing the outter bag. ..but a sanitaire comm is a true cleaning beast...i had a 684 and gifted to my sis in law. either of the above are still better than bagless......just my point of view/pref. turtle Just to play devil's advocate, since our little devil dustmite hasn't responded, doesn't the Dyson have a nice premotor filter to keep the motor clean? It seems like the talk of leakage has been with the seals going into the dirt canister, but not so much dirt into the motor. I certainly don't work on Dysons or any other vacuum, so I can't say whether the motors stay clean.
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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retardturtle1
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #157 Apr 21, 2010 6:34 pm |
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Just to play devil's advocate, since our little devil dustmite hasn't responded, doesn't the Dyson have a nice premotor filter to keep the motor clean? It seems like the talk of leakage has been with the seals going into the dirt canister, but not so much dirt into the motor. I certainly don't work on Dysons or any other vacuum, so I can't say whether the motors stay clean.
Hi Severus
On my dc7 i noticed a very faint dusting just aft my pre mtr filter aft a weeks worth of use.....and a faint amount after the post hepa on its lower spine...but not every week , just from time to time....pre filter was spotless......so im only guessing a seal leak/leaks at the filters...but never any problems with upper seals. Id say they do filter very well...as they should due to its thickness (pre mtr). Better filter media (cut to fit ?) thinner that filters just as well yet not as restrictive would improve suction/perf is a test i wished i had done on it . I think it would be worth a try....just to see... they also have charcoal filter inserts for the dysons post/pre mtr....a worthy investment. turtle
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CarmineD
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Re: Dysons filtration?
Reply #158 Apr 22, 2010 9:09 am |
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Just to play devil's advocate, since our little devil dustmite hasn't responded, doesn't the Dyson have a nice premotor filter to keep the motor clean? It seems like the talk of leakage has been with the seals going into the dirt canister, but not so much dirt into the motor. I certainly don't work on Dysons or any other vacuum, so I can't say whether the motors stay clean.
Hi Severus:
For the most part, save some examples provided here and elsewhere, the post multi-cyclones filtering is decent on dysons. At issue, at least for me, from my personal and professional perpsectives is the dyson cyclones' filtration. Root 3 is the most dyson advanced cyclonic system. Fine dust and dirt lodges/accumulates in the cyclone separators over time and with use. This is the quintessential operational/performance advantages of good bagged vacuums over bagless, even the Root 3 dysons. if I am correct, most industry professionals and vacuum makers will tell you this too. Carmine D.
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