Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Look at these gems: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNBxAE1FWyU Seem to get good reviews, too: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-BSG8PRO1GB-Cylinder-Vacuum-Cleaner/dp/B001E5CBRU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen&qid=1271175245&sr=1-6 Does anybody here have any personal experience with Bosch? Are they Made in Germany? I do believe these new machines are, like Bosch's REAL products; not their somewhat decent but simply re-badged bagless upright that was supposedly a Vax and Dirt Devil re-name. Not even sure if that's true. But anyways check out that new bagless machine. A German-Made bagless?! This should be sweet. That new technology looks very interesting, too :D Ten year motor warranty, as well. Very impressive!

Hi Hertz,

They are indeed nice looking machines BUT probably are what Bosch should have tried to bring into the game before bowing out of the American vacuum market.  Bosch's exit to the best of my understanding after a conversation with a sales rep, when the news first came our was that they were not not getting the hoped for return on the machines they offered.

The bagless model shown is already here in the sense that the Kenmore Iridium bagless (with fullsized power nozzle) has sensors, electronic speed adjustment, etc., and perfectly great cyclonics set-up  And, if still on the shelves should be selling for a round 400 bucks a pop.  Bosch is not prepared to meet those prices here. and none but a few who have money to toss around would be willing to consider it.

As for the other two bagged models, again very nice but  . . .

Metal reinforcement in the areas shown is at best meritable but doesn't mean all that much if the rest of the machine is plastic anyway.  It doesn't mean anything if doors and windows are strong but hte house is built on a weak foundation.  Beyond that all thes machines are using the same old Wessel Werk cleaning tools everybody else has got.  What you find on Miele you find on Bosch, Siemens and myriad other vacuums.  The only exception I noted as of late was the floor tool that European Hoover devised for getting into narrow spaces.  I give them a plus point for originality though I don't know if its efficiency or of worth.  The use scenarios offered pictorally were a little silly to me because I'd simply remove the tool and use the wand end --  as I always do --  in the same situation for a quick and good result.

I didn't get the point of the cutesy tool carrier for one of the Bosch models either.  They should be storable on the machine itself.  Thast's considered a real convenience. Tool kit carriers almost date back to the first vacuum cleaner made and are not indicative of moving forward but going backward.  The swivel-ball arrrangement re the hose attachment on one of the cleaners is a nice idea but again it being a straight suction can, I can't imagine that one little feature being worth the price it would be marked up to here in the U.S.

Bosch takes the same position as Miele when pressed to better explain high pricing.  To wit, it costs money to deliver quality.  Well . . .

Speaking of which, this does not apply to just European machines.  I recently viewed the new Lux Guardian.  Yes, twenty-year motor warranty and free check-ups every year are nice but at 1,800 bucks you'll find me a very hard sell.  I can live without it too.

Best,

Venson

Hi Hertz,

For you and anyone else interested, I've attached a link to the bagless GS-60's instruction PDF.  This cleaner uses a pleated filter withing the collection bin that is claimed to be self-cleaning.

http://www.bosch-home.co.uk/Files/Bosch/Gb/en/Document/Instruction_manual_GS-60.pdf

Meant to add that there are at least two not one new Bosch bagless machines.  One offers a manually operated mechanism to clean the pleated filter and the toher has a motor operated device that shust the cleaner off and "cleans" the filter automatically.

Venson

Hertz - the machines are made in Germany but what you've listed on Amazon is the OLDER Bosch models and I've sampled quite a few. Although they are well made they aren't as well built as Miele or Sebo. For a start ALL of the tools and pipes are friction fit only and they can fall out in use. The hose handle is also very cheaply made whilst the tools on board sit in a plastic tray that can get lost over time. Although I'm not a fan of Bosch vacuums they aren't badly made, but in the UK bags are not as nationally available as Sebo or Miele.

The latest Bosch vacuum, the Free 'e model is much better thought out and is a new range in the UK and Europe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRF9qjHkASY

Here's the latest from Siemens. Expect a Bosch equivalent any time soon: taken from www.appliancist.com/green_appliances/siemens-vacuum-cleaner-offers-green-power.html



"...The new Siemens Z 5.0 is the premium compact vacuum cleaner capable of achieving a very impressive 47-liter per second suction rate. This compact powerhouse comes with the special Siemens motor that employs the latest super efficient XTRM compressor technology, providing the basis for such an incredible performance. With the Z 5.0 Extreme Power edition, you are getting a highly optimized air flow, making it an alternative to the larger Z 6.0 Extreme Power which creates 50-liter power per minute rate...The old equation a lot of watts = more power is no longer valid in modern vacuum cleaners. What ultimately matters is the force that is actually applied to the carpet. The air flow is much more relevant as it indicates how much air is drawn per second. And more air per second means more dust and dirt gets vacuumed. The compact Siemens Z 5.0 Extreme Power has a 4.5 liter dust bag while its hose and intake manifold diameter is 20% larger than those of the regular vacuum cleaners. The result is lesser air resistance, turbulence and fewer bottlenecks that typically slow down the air flow.

The vacuum also comes with the Siemens washable Ultra HEPA filter and the high-quality MegaAir SuperTex filter bag to hold back even the smallest particles. When you change the filter bag, a special hygiene seal ensures that no dust or dirt to return to the outside, making the Siemens Z 5.0 compact vacuum suitable for allergy sufferers..."

The new Siemens Z6.0 comes in two powerful and extremely efficient models, the Z6.0 Power and the Z6.0 Eco. Boasting the symbolic green power cord, these vacuums are setting the bar high in terms of environmental features and operating economy. Using lower wattage but delivering top performance, each energy saving vacuum offers a new dimension in floor care. Siemens Z6.0 cleaners combine the enhanced efficiency, offered by the Siemens compressor technology with a new aerodynamic system, designed to improve airflow within the cleaner. This results in up to 50% savings on electricity plus a significantly increased air throughput. And the new, green tagged air guidance system releases airflow blockages and prevents the air swirls that impair efficiency. To match their advanced aerodynamic system, both models feature innovative and powerful motor fans that resemble an aircraft turbine. Due to their aerodynamically-shaped impellers that reach a top speed of 800 kph, these Siemens vacuum cleaners convey exceptionally high air volumes while minimizing energy consumption..."






Despite the claims its a pity the main exhaust filter is at the top, giving owners a free hot facial not doubt just like Miele.

vacmanuk wrote:

Nice vacmanuk.  What ae the price ranges?

Carmine D.

Nice but I wonder if Bosch plans to venture again into the American market.  It pulled out a couple of years ago because it wasn't getting enough of a return for the effort.

Venson

Dont know the price ranges as yet Carmine - but I'm speculating that since they are based on the expensive Free'e series, they will be highly priced and put into Miele S5 territory.

vacmanuk wrote:

Tough market and price range to launch new products in now.  S2 venue would be more realistic epsecially in current economic times.  Then move up into the S5 territory.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Nope. The Siemens/Bosch have a compact line up already - this series would be premium, sitting alongside Miele S5.

vacmanuk wrote:

That is true for your side of the pond, vacmanuk.  Not here in the USA.  No vacuums at all from Bosch as yet.

http://www.bosch-home.com/us

Breaking into the US market, if Bosch does, at the TOL full size price range [$1000] would be difficult for Bosch but not impossible.  More appropriate to start with the compact $300 S2 range and work up IMHO.

Carmine D.