Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

You listed most of the reasons for increased bag prices (in red).

No doubt the uncommon is occuring where you live, however,   bags and bagged vacs are almost non exixtant in Sears, BB, WM and other big box stores outside LV and other towns that you do not visit.

What % of vac sales is bagged?

Yes, agree.  And other factors too.

Carmine D.

No HS, the uncommon occurs among the common all the time.  Just varies in degrees and locations.   What may be uncommon for you may be very common for another.  Bagged vacuum sales are still flourishing and even increasing among independent vacuum stores.  Quite to the contrary of the predictions of bagless prognosticators.   In fact, after experiences with some bagless models among many users/buyers, bagged sales have experienced a new found popularity, even among big box stores.  As I mentioned above, the on-slaught of bagless vacuum models is not a result of the superior bagless cyclonic technology as bagless inventors and fans would have had us believe.  The increase is a result of unique opportunities for sales and profits by taking on the high priced big box bagless, your favorite brand.  Ask yor local BB, WM, and SEARS how many bagless vacuum customers don't buy dysons and instead buy the competitors' brands.  Didn't you buy a HOOVER bagless upright AND NOT a dyson after having a DC07.  Apparently, that buying behavior is not uncommon.  I've noticed the big winners in the all the latest toyota trials and tribulations are toyota's competition and new car buyers.  Same is true with bagless vacuums and retailers' sales.  Big winners are dyson's competition, bagless buyers and big box retailers.  While the latter may stock and carry all the high priced bagless models, they are selling the less expensive brands with the better features and same cyclonic bagless technology.  Dyson doesn't get a cut of the competitions' sales or the retailers' profits.  Just as toyota doesn't.

Carmine D.   

PS:  SEARS Web site lists 24 pages of vacuum bags for a total of over 350 different types/models.  The only thing uncommon about that is the huge number.  I wonder what it is for WM and BB?  Would you like me to check?

Bagged sales may be increasing but I doubt they are flourishing.  They are the only one that can make a come back because they are the ones behind.  In 2001 bagged sales were 57%.  3 years later they were only 18% of sales. I believe Dyson was about the only bagless to be considered at the time.  Perhaps you can bring us up to date with current ratio of bagged vs bagless sales.  You spout off but never provide data.  HERE IS YOUR CHANCE.

I bought a Hoover bagless for comparison purposes. Sold mine before the trouble began.  My sister also purchased one and it was a piece of junk after 3 years.  My DC07 was like new after 3 years.  I may have mentioned this before, however I will repeat for your benefit.  I returned 2 Orecks due to pith poor performance.  Absolutely no consideration to keep them for 3 years.

Toyota sales in March 2010 were exceeded only by the F150.  They also had the largest market share for domestic auto sales in March.  Not to mention a 49% increase over March 2009 sales.  Now I understand why you consulting advice against Dyson bit you in the arse.

PS, I have data for the auto sales.  Please support your whimsical comments with data.

Hi vacmanuk,

I did some looking around online this morning but didn't find much.  There's a reusable bag for Eureka's portable Mighty Mite series and I think the Hoover PortaPower can be fitted with one if not already included.  I don't know if Aerus still provides the two-piece affair that Electrolux once sold optionally.

The only vacs that I can think of that sell here with permanent bags included (wide-mouthed and usually used with disposable paper liners) are TriStar, Miracle Mate and Shoettler's Air Storm and Patriot.  All of these are very expensive niche brands.

I in no way think the reusable bag is ideal but at least it is designed for re-use.  Among the "thrifty", looking to save now as in past, there's been a habit of snipping off the sealed end of full disposable bags, dumping them and re-sealing them in whatever easily accomplished fashion (stapling or taping).  This usually leads to problems later but people do it anyway even when bags for their machines are not overly expensive.

Venson

There are many brands that still can be fitted with a cloth shake out bag, Sanitaire uprights come standard with the shake ouit bag and can be oredered with the top load paper bag conversion.The old electrolux/aerus brand cans can also be fitted with the shake out bag only sold for demo purposes [yeah right].

Model XXX cloth bags are still available, Compact  tri star also,even the old euerka 900 canister cloth bags can be found.I find it interesting that some euro brands are tinkering around with saran braided hoses again.

Hows mieles bottom end machines selling? From what i can gather the miele dealers are getting a little disgruntled with the brand and are converting over to Riccar.

The dyson repair business shall we say is picking up.[because of lack there of]

The central vac market other than service and parts have fallen way off. over 50 %.

regard

MOLE

Hiya MOLE,

How are you?  Thanks for the info as to what's still around.  My gut feeling even though some salesmen seem to be in denial is that people in general are nervous about money -- at least those that have any left to worry over. 

Even though I know the indies need product to draw customers in, Miele's low-end canisters are straight suction and if all I wanted was a straight suction vacuum I'd go to Sears and pay way less.  The name game doesn't get to me that way.  Someone here of course will "remind" me of the Miele's wonderful turbo-tool.  But -- if I wanted to invest 120 bucks in something that runs on wind, I'd give it to a relative.

By the way has anyone here noticed any appeances of Miele vacs in regular retail settings?  P.C. Richard, a chain of appliance and electronic stores in my area and New Jersey has been carrying some of them as well as J&R a local brick-and-mortar and online seller?

Considering what I've heard about real estate nose dives, I can't see a lot of people easily investing in a central vac system unless the mortgage has been paid up and burned.  Horror stories of houses that cost a lot to buy but are now on sale for well below their original price still prevail all over the country. 

Best,

Venson

Im doing OK. A dealer  now more than ever cant just put all his eggs in one basket anymore or just be a specialist in one brand, To navigate through this economic downturn the smart retailers and indies will prevail, You are right about the money situation ,we been finding people with the money but are real carefull about what they get for their money, no more on impulse sales.

We have also noticed that the Home depot ,lowes,and others are not stocking any central vac supplies tubing,fittings, attachments,etc.  

Maybe they figure its not worth the time and space to stock it anymore.

Just hang in there and take care.

regards

MOLE

Hi  HS.

New constuction central vac sales are off almost 75%

The builders have NO MONEY.

Its all a customer preference as far as bagged or bagless, some systems can be used either way.

regards

MOLE