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Trebor
Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Original Message Apr 7, 2010 11:38 am |
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I recently visited a local vac shop, not the one run by a close friend. We discussed Dyson and other brands. He maintains that Dyson WAYYY overestimated the cost of returns/warranty repairs when he invaded the US vac market, which is why the Dysons were given a 5 yr warranty. He said Dyson, despite rumors to the contrary, is making money hand over fist, and show no sign of slowing down. Even though the hose is excluded as a warranty part, Dyson is issuing repair authorizations for them. He also said he is selling Dyson dirt canisters, cords, roller brushes, and hoses like there is no tomorrow. He said Dyson is ready to cut prices when necessary to boost flagging sales. The DC-07 will make a reappearance at $299 or lower when the time is right. I stopped by Best Buy to purchase a memory card for my camera, and wandered down the vac aisle, of course. 33 full size vacuums on display. THREE bagged machines, all uprights. Other than Dyson, only ONE canister, a Dirt Devil straight suction. Dyson had on display three cans and four uprights, over 20% of the vac sku offerings! There are new and interesting things in the vac shops, but nothing has changed at BBR where most of America buys their vacuums. According to him, Panasonic has lost the contract to build Sears canisters. All of this is, of course, excellent news for Kirby.
This message was modified Apr 7, 2010 by Trebor
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #41 Apr 11, 2010 1:56 pm |
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Bagged sales may be increasing but I doubt they are flourishing. They are the only one that can make a come back because they are the ones behind. In 2001 bagged sales were 57%. 3 years later they were only 18% of sales. I believe Dyson was about the only bagless to be considered at the time. Perhaps you can bring us up to date with current ratio of bagged vs bagless sales. You spout off but never provide data. HERE IS YOUR CHANCE. I bought a Hoover bagless for comparison purposes. Sold mine before the trouble began. My sister also purchased one and it was a piece of junk after 3 years. My DC07 was like new after 3 years. I may have mentioned this before, however I will repeat for your benefit. I returned 2 Orecks due to pith poor performance. Absolutely no consideration to keep them for 3 years. Toyota sales in March 2010 were exceeded only by the F150. They also had the largest market share for domestic auto sales in March. Not to mention a 49% increase over March 2009 sales. Now I understand why you consulting advice against Dyson bit you in the arse. PS, I have data for the auto sales. Please support your whimsical comments with data. HS you make me laugh out loud when I read your posts. Toyota sales had a bump up in one month because its buyers' incentives per vehicle are up $750 over last year. If their own statistics can be believed the average buyers' incentive now on a new toyota is about $3500. Why? Great time to buy a new car.
Now, change gears and let's talk bagless vacuums. With the bagless competition robbing sales from your favorite brand, quess what will have to happen if the high priced bagless brand wants to keep up with the sales of the competition. Hint: What did toyota do? As I said, competition is great for the buyers and sellers. So, it took you 2 new ORECKS to figure out you didn't like them. One more new returned ORECK and you're out. You may even force the company to put a limit on the number of returns by one customer in a given period of time. Carmine D.
This message was modified Apr 11, 2010 by CarmineD
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #45 Apr 11, 2010 2:28 pm |
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HS you make me laugh out loud when I read your posts. Toyota sales had a bump up in one month because its buyers' incentives per vehicle are up $750 over last year. If their own statistics can be believed the average buyers' incentive now on a new toyota is about $3500. Why? Great time to buy a new car. Now, change gears and let's talk bagless vacuums. With the bagless competition robbing sales from your favorite brand, quess what will have to happen if the high priced bagless brands wants to keep up with the sales of the competition. Hint: What did toyota do? As I said, competition is great for the buyers and sellers. So, it took 2 new ORECKS to figure out you didn't like them? One more and you're out. Carmine D.
Honda has been advertising 0 APR. I doubt sales incentives would increase sales by 49% if Toyota wasn't still the best auto available today. Remember all those incentives on Hoover prior to them selling.? It is difficult to sell inferior products even at distress prices.
I am shifting gears away from a topic that you brought up. As usual when caught with your drawers down you want to avoid the subjet. The discussion wasn't about Dyson being robbed of sales from other bagless vacs. It was about bagged overtaking bagless. You still can't produce data to support your whimsical comments. Get facts then let's talk. I am already out of the junk business. I meant Oreck business. I already knew I did not like them. Just nol how much.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #48 Apr 11, 2010 2:52 pm |
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Honda has been advertising 0 APR. I doubt sales incentives would increase sales by 49% if Toyota wasn't still the best auto available today. Remember all those incentives on Hoover prior to them selling.? It is difficult to sell inferior products even at distress prices. I am shifting gears away from a topic that you brought up. As usual when caught with your drawers down you want to avoid the subjet. The discussion wasn't about Dyson being robbed of sales from other bagless vacs. It was about bagged overtaking bagless. You still can't produce data to support your whimsical comments. Get facts then let's talk. I am already out of the junk business. I meant Oreck business. I already knew I did not like them. Just nol how much.
HS would you make up your mind. What do you want to talk about? Cars or vacuums? Bagged vacuums like your Royal Emminence. Bagless like your HOOVER upright. Or junk like your DC07 that you got rid of.
Like I said, and will repeat for your benefit for shortsightedness, now is a great time to buy a new car. Incentives galore. With toyotas selling at their lowest prices ever in the USA. But that's what buyers expect. After all, their loss in retail values are the subject of several class action suits. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #49 Apr 11, 2010 3:03 pm |
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HS would you make up your mind. What do you want to talk about? Cars or vacuums? Bagged vacuums like your Royal Emminence. Bagless like your HOOVER upright. Or junk like your DC07 that you got rid of. Like I said, and will repeat for your benefit for shortsightedness, now is a great time to buy a new car. Incentives galore. With toyotas selling at their lowest prices ever in the USA. But that's what buyers expect. After all, their loss in retail values are the subject of several class action suits. Carmine D. As suspected. All you got is hot air. Where is the data? You are punch drunk again.
Bullies like you run and hide when they are confronted.
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