Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I love my Filter Queen vacs so far; but want to know if the 360 style tools are good/bad or the old style tools are better?  Mine are the brown & salmon mdls (salmon one is suction-only; brown one has Mdl 88 Power Nozzle)

this is my mdl 31 Filterqueen

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

Bagged vacuums are easier for their users [especially with household pets] to keep clean and odor free.  Bagless vacuums over time get infiltrated with and maintain pet dander and its smells.  Even with just 4 years of usage.  The high-priced big box store bagless is still under warranty as I'm told and smells like a "darn" dog.  The dog gets groomed frequently.  A bagged vacuum gets a new bag monthly.  A bagless gets and stores the odors forever.  The more users try to disguise/veil the smells, the worse the odors get.  Like manure.  Stack it in one place and it smells.  Bagged vacuum: Change the bag and good as new.  Bagless?  Stuck with smell even under warranty.

Carmine D.

Carmine - I've found with second hand / reconditioned bagged AND bagless vacs that have been owned by Pet owners also fail to clean out the hoses and those are the worst for stinking of old dogs

vacmanuk wrote:

I suspect those reconditioned bagged models were not under warranty like this high priced bagless.  Back in the day, cloth bags retained odors in vacuums much like the bagless of today.  A reason in part for the paper bags replacing the cloth.  Sadly, Sir James Dyson missed this cloth bag era of the vacuum industry or overlooked it in designing and selling his own bagless brand.

Carmine D.

Not entirely. In the UK where reconditioned means a new motor and some new fixings, a 6 month guarantee against defects is honoured with each product sold. However I've had many a debate with EBay sellers who don't like to refund if the actual vacuum has been used to clean out pet hair and won't change the hose as it may be more expensive than the cost price of the whole vacuum they are selling.

The only exception to this is where private buyers and sellers are selling their own vacuum cleaner.

CarmineD wrote:

I can't think of a vac warranty that covers odors.  Me thinks that you BS is smelling as much as any vac.

vacmanuk wrote:

I'm referring to new vacuum warranty periods by the original manufacturer and odors even with following manufacturer's instructions.  Pet owners should be irate to pay $600 for a high priced bagless and after 4 years haver a pet odor that permeates the vacuum and the house when in use.  The house is the same age as the vacuum.  I doubt replacing the hose with a new one on this bagless will eliminate the pet odor. [Tho it probably would in most bagged models].   I also doubt the retailer/manufcaturer will make this offer to the customer.  Sadly, the filter maintenance on this bagless is the original lifetime filter warranty with 6-9 month cleaning [2002-2007] schedule initially promulgated by the high priced bagless.  Not the 2-3 month schedule that was later prescribed by the bagless manufacturer [2007-now].  While the later short schedule may eliminate/reduce the pet odors during the manufacturers' 5 year warranty period, and may be a reason for the filetr cleaning change, I'd bet he odor is problematic after the warranty period.  The difference is that the retailer/manufacturer can put the onous solely on the owner after the warranty period and recuse themselves from any warranty coverage.

Carmine D.  

HARDSELL wrote:

I can't think of any bagged vacuum except this $600 bagless vacuum that has the pet odor problems under warranty.  Can you?  Perhaps pet owners should avoid buying these high prioced bagless vacuums if the manufacturer/retailers don't warranty against pet odors during the warranty period.  I know this one will no longer.  I suggested to her that she contact dyson, the LV retailer, and the entity that approves the vacuum for its fresh clean air smell during usage.  Perhaps one/more will provide some consideration/remedial action with the odor issue/problems.  Especially since the vacuum still is under warranty and clearly displays the UK seal of approval.  The odor problem will only get worse with time and use.  Maybe she can recover part of her original cost/get some more normal usage out of this one until she buys another vacuum more suited to households with a pet and children.

Carmine D.

PS:  Imagine that you bought a TOL toyota vehicle for $60,000 with a 5 year 50,000 mile warranty.  Gradually you noted a toxic smell entering the drivers/passengers' compartment while the vehicle is still under warranty.  It appears to get worse and worse.  What would you do? 

CarmineD wrote:

Common sense tells me that any vacuum will omit odors if the odor omitting substance is left in the bag/bin.  Air has to pass through the bag same as the bin.  Hold a rag over your nose while in a port a pottie and it still smells like poop. 

If ol Rover's hair smells so foul he needs a shower. 

HARDSELL wrote:

You can change the bag.  Good as new.  Especially if one of the many odor resitant/retardent paper bags is used as a replacement.  One of the innovative vacuum technologies for bagged vacuums in recent years.  Can't change the bin and get rid of the smell in the high priced bagless.  Can't wash/change the high priced filters that are in the high priced bagless brand and eliminate the odors.  Can't chnage the hose and dirt by-pass to eliminate the odors.  Why?  You can't remove the odors in the cyclones in this high priced bagless no matter how hard you try and regardless of what you do. 

The dog smells fine after grooming.  Just like a person after taking a shower.  Odors are gone.  Washing works for people and pets.  Not for odors in high priced bagless vacuums.  Can't give a high priced bagless a shower.  Maker's instructions tell you not to.  Water is bad for cyclones.  So what do you do?  Open the windows in the car when you drive and in the house when vacuum?  $600 bagless vacuum and $60,000 luxury vehicle.  That's common sense?  Remember the heat of July gets to 115 degress in the desert in Las Vegas.  Doesn't make sense to use the air conditioner to overcme the heat and then open the windows for fresh air.  If the heat doesn't overcome you then the dry sandy air will.  Nevada authorities cite pet owners for keeping their pets outdoors in the heat during the summer.  Same for leaving babies and children outdoors too.  Maybe common sense says the vacuum should go oustside instead.  In the trash and off to the dump where it will be right at home among the smells.  I know one bagless brand buyer who feels this way now.  Lets' see what she is told by dyson, the big box retailer where she bought it, and the UK entity that sanctioned the $600 brand for persons with allergies and breathing problems. 

Carmine D.

Actually Carmine, you can clean out bagless models INCLUDING the cyclone. It depends on the brand in this case. I note that on the Vax Mach Air, all the cyclones come apart and the whole thing can actually be washed completely. It doesn't matter if it is bagless or bagged - if you're a pet owner and your vacuum stinks it's because it hasn't been maintained and cleaned out properly. Hoses are the worst for keeping old pet hair clogged up particularly on cheaper "less flexible," plastic hoses or the types that have metal coils in them. The old black carbon filters that used to protect the motors in hard box uprights are also notorious for not being kept clean -those too can be washed although buyers are seldom told these things, being pushed to buy new filters and thus buying yet again something else other than a belt.