Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hi,

As I was looking for other information, I discovered that TTI, the present maker of Hoover, has come up with a "new" Royal canister vacuum.

Someone please check me out on this but it appears that the Hoover S3670 has been given a new paint job, refitted with the power nozzle from the Platinum Bagless canister and re-branded as the Royal Model SR30020 - Lexon S20.

Thar she is (notice the two generic throw aways aso in this new Lexon series at the top of the page) -- http://www.royalvacuums.com/Household/Canisters/lexon.aspx

I can only imagine the sweat they broke into to come up with this.  For reasons beyond economic, I think I've bought all the vacuums I'm going to for a while.

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask if any of the dealers here has knowledge as to whether the little Royal tank-type with PN has been discontinued.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

I have to argue the other side of the fence thanks to my friend MOLE:  If MIELE wants to produce their vacuums in China, why should vacuum consumers pay mega MIELE prices for the products?  I know MY ANSWER to this question not sure of others.  I like RICCAR's approach, bring the production to the USA AND charge for the privilege of USA manufacturing and jobs creation.  Probably, I'm in the minority.  KIRBY, ORECK, FQ, RICCAR/SIMPLICITY, AERUS and a few more too would be my preference over the MIELE made in China for $1000.

[RAD, I've been waiting for you to chime in here, but so far you are doing a Claude Rains]. 

Like I asked in another thread:  How's that whole toyota thingie working out for you?  Can you imagine buying a BMW made in China? 

Carmine D.

The thing is though you're not paying for a vacuum cleaner determined by the price from where it has been made - that is madness. Infact the market prices are determined by sellers themselves taking on the SSP / Suggested Selling Price rather than the RRP / Recommended Retail Price and then whatever the brand is alllowing to happen in terms of specs and guarantees/after care warranties. In this case then its easy to see that Hoover are losing out by a year compared to Royal even though they are effectively the same machine but possibly with differences here and there, or spec changes. The buyer then has to decide whether they want a specific machine as per their own reckoning or the other type buyer who just wants an extended peace of mind and doesn't really mind who it is made by.

Mieles etc that are produced in China are not granted automatic "mark up" on prices = it is the sellers who are pricing them and additionally whatever the dollar exchange rate is like with Chinese currency.

I am not sure why the disgust for the multi-branding, because this has been going on for decades.

As I have said before, this is a very good canister.  It has alot of good features.  When put up against the Kenmore in another thread, I would purchase this machine(HOOVER).  The Royal version does have two better features, but that may not be important, if money is an issue.  You will still get performance and a quieter running machine.

TTI has done very well at improving the brands after their acquisition. They will not be Miele, but you are not paying the Miele prices either.

Mike_W wrote:

As I recall you said the $500 China made halo UVC upright was a very good upright.  We should believe you, why?  Salespersons had to be paid to sell these vacuums.  I don't recall you telling us that here?? 

"I believe that the Halo upright is expensive for a Chinese-made vacuum cleaner, that is sold in “big box” stores. Also, for an expensive vacuum cleaner, the warranty should be more than one year. Otherwise, the Halo is a very good performer. It will clean and filter well for its new owner."  Mike W.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine,

As far as I know I'm only aiding German commerce. (Both machines say "Made in Germany" on their stickers.)  And -- I got my Miele can for the same price that Aerus was prepared to bargain down to for a new Lux Guardian.

I only want to know if these Chinese wonders have near the same durability as Miele.  If so I may just look for a street corner and start selling them out of the back of my German station wagon.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

Haha, this sounds just like me.

To Quote what Mike says, if it was not for imports or imported parts the dealers and box stores would not  have any products to sell. This has been going on for decades,

So how is trickle down economics working out for you.

Cant find work.hungry, standard of living going away,-Eat your HONDUH............


MOLE

CarmineD wrote:
Wow, Carmine, you quoted  one of my thorough reviews of the Halo.  Thanks.  I am not sure what is wrong w/that  quote, because I meant it and it is true.   I wished that you would have shown some of the newcomers the whole review I wrote way back in Nov. '07 here-
http://www.abbysguide.com/vacuum/reviews/350-0-1.html

Now, let's take a look at a thread from Feb. 2009 here-
http://www.abbysguide.com/vacuum/discussions/35367-A-1.html

In reply #4, you write, ".....the worse possible economic timing for a $500, China made, one year warrantied upright sold primarily if not exclusively thru big box retailers."

Now what was it that you did not like about my review?  Was it because I beat you to it?  Remember, my review was written around the time the machine was introduced.  How accurate was I Carmine?



 



 

Mike_W wrote:

Let's see Mike W. ....how can I diplomatically put this:  Uhh?  Let me just tell the truth.  The company went out of business within a year of operations due in large part to Garcia's false claim that the UV-C light was the only way to kill germs in a rug.  Not true.  As Venson pointed out here any vacuum with a brush roll kills germs.  BISSELL and others sued Halo/Garcia over the false claim.  Caused the company to go belly up.  ORECK bought the rights to the halo UV-C after other companies turned Garcia down.  ORECK made the purchase to ensure it had a lock on its lightweight upright competition with tools on board. 

PS:  You failed, neglected, to tell halo buyers that halo/retailers were paying salespeople to "push" and sell the halos over others.  Not to worry.  I provided the information to them.  How accurate am I?  It's a rhetorical question.  No need to answer.

Carmine D.

Carmine;

I am not going to play your games.  I have seen how you can go on and on w/DIB and Hardsell.  You actually helped me by quoting me and not the other way around.

You will have the last word, because I am not going to continue w/this.  I know how you work.


CarmineD wrote:
Venson is very wrong, because BRUSHROLLS DO NOT KILL GERMS.  If that were true, there would be no need for a UV-C light on a vacuum cleaner and sell it for killing germs and viruses.