Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

How sealed are Dysons? And how good is their filtration? I know the uprights - at least the older, older ones like the DC07 and such might have potential problems with sealing, such as show in this video right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXA0N0V2uOQ However there could simply be something wrong w/ that one, who knows. BUT ANYWAYS, are the NEWER uprights COMPLETELY sealed? What about their canisters, such as the DC22, 23? Like does any air blow out of the cord reel or such, or ONLY out of the exhaust where it's SUPPOSED to come out from?

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hi turttle,

The Irdium pre-filter is a round, dense foam piece.  Off the top of my head, it measures at about 3.5 inches in diameter and about an inch thick.  When I first got the machine home I gave it a thorough looking over and was a bit surprised as the pre-filter looked a bit small considering the job it was intended to do.  However, as long as it's clean, it appears to provide no hindrance at all to airflow.

I later learned that how much burden the pre-filter bears has more to do with mechanics.  The cyclonic systems in the Iridium collection bin really work quite well and, generally, only miniscule amounts of dust ride off to the pre-filter.  Nonetheless, this is where a big IF applies.  What I discovered through use is that it appears once even small amounts of material begins to gather around tthe shroud inside the bin the cyclonics system becomes less efficient.  That's when I would notice more dust accumulation than usual on the pre-filter.

To my mind, the collection bin did not allow debris to enter and easily fall away from the shroud.  That area remaining clear has a lot to do with how well the dust separation is accomplished later on down the line.  Though the bin is transparent it sits at the back of the machine and even if a user was so disposed to make cursory checks on the status of things around the shroud area they might not be all that noticable without removing the bin completely. 

I'm much inclined to feel that when bagless cyclonic vacs are designed the guys at the drawing board only concern themselves with how air and fine dust will move through their cyclonics set-ups.  That constitutes a limited picture.  Litter pick up and probability of sucking up small objects or the odd sock you didn't see under the bed are issues as well and should be factored into process of working out the movement of things.

That example probably explains why I like a bagged vac with generous bag size.  Simpler air paths and simpler collection modes lend to less problems and less need for fussiness while cleaning.

Venson

Hello Venson:

If you don't mind, I have a few questions if you would answer please. 

• How old is your bagless Kenmore Iridium? 
• What is the warranty period? 
• What is said about time schedules for cleaning the filters and the warranty? 
• What is the dirt capacity of the bin?

Thanks.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine,

It's the LG clone I bought when they first came out, roughly guessing, about three years or so ago.  (Yep, it's almost about three years as I checked and see that I first posted about it in September 2007.)

Warranty was the standard year I believe.  I can't find the instruction booklet but in regard to schedules, I kept my own.  The cleaner was emptied after each use and filters were checked at about every two or three uses.  I was very curious about this machine's ability because -- as I recall it -- it was one of a few bagless vacs at the time that weren't employing pleated filters within the collection bin as with the prior Kenmore EVO bagless canister.  The HEPA stayed clean as the pre-filter did a good job.  I'd also wash out the collection bin when the air ways around its inner perimeter started to look grungy. As for dust capacity, maybe a quart or less.  Being used to four-quart or larger bags, I 've never taken dust capacity seriously in regard to bagless machines.  Rather, than trust fate, I dump them out after each use.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

I am as concerned about replacing a bag monthly that cost $5 or more ea.  $60 or more per year.  Add in the $30 annual maintenance charge.  More if parts are needed.

The Dyson filter can be washed and reused (unlike the bag).  I doubt the filters would need replacing within 5 or more years. 

Which is less expensive to operate?

Hardsell,

   Where are you buying $5 a bag ? So far I haven't seen them. Some bags are expensive but so are filters. WHat cleaner has $5 bags that you have to change once a month? Thank you.

Hi procare,

Miele S7 high filtration bags run at roughly $18.00 for a pack of four (4.50 each) with fresh pre-filters included.  Smaller by a quart or so less, Miele bags for the S5 series run at the same price but you get five bags instead of four ($3.60 each).  In my household bag changes are not need as frequently as I have no kids and no pets.  Nonetheless, I could easily see call for bag changes regarding either machine in an active household.

Aerus wins out here in that a pack of 36 bags (about $40 here when sales tax is included) comes out a much lower price per bag.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Thanks Venson.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS, you ever feel like you are surrounded by a bunch of nuts!  

The problem with the dyson cyclones are they clog and filtering worsens over time due to the built up dirt/dust in the sealed cyclones that can't be emptied and cleaned thoroughly.  When the cyclones develop a pet odor, and they do, they have to be replaced at $80 a pop before labor/other needed parts [like pre-post motor filters at an additional $50] to eliminate the odor.  Choose your poison.  $130 buys a lot of good quality filtering bags for most quality vacuums that will easily last over 5 years even with daily vacuuming.  Plus, there's no imposition on users to perform dual filter maintenance every 2-3 months with washing/drying to keep a bagless working properly.  Else spring for spare new filters at $15, $20, $30 a pop.  Sooner or later, depending on usage, replace the cyclone assembly at $80 plus else a new motor.  Yep, insufficient air flow, regardless how clean it may be, will burn out a motor if the cyclones don't/can't operate properly.  More importantly, how do users know until it's too late.  Had a case reported here years back where a dyson user had several new DC07's using in a commercial setting.  A motor burnt out in one in less than 2 years of usage.  Not covered under warranty.  Bagged is beautiful.  With and without nuts.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote: Hi Carmine.......Never seen one broken..........how the heck do you break  the cyclone assembly

turtle

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson

Im starting to like my  pansc u and riccar ecopure bags more and more $$$$

turtle