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bagless kirby conversion
Original Message   Jan 16, 2009 1:51 pm
I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #96   Jan 20, 2010 7:22 am
CarmineD wrote:
Dib-ster:

You know what?  When the sales person at BEST BUY demo'ed the DC28 to me this past June, she left it on the medium setting after she powered on.  I dumped the dirt and debris from a display DC14 bin on the low pile rug and asked her to vacuum it up.  She left the rug height setting on medium.  She passed over the area one time back and forth and didn't get it all up.  I stopped her in the process.  I hit the low setting and I made one pass and picked up everything that was left.  She saw the result.  She said to me I don't like the low setting because it's too hard to push and pull.  So I leave it on the medium setting.  Gee, that sounds familiar.  Let's see.  First, people don't read User manuals.  Second, they don't set proper rug height adjustments.  Third, why bother with them?  Give them a floating head and tell them one size fits all.  Bingo. I mean EUREKA!  The answer.  Now, true or false?

Carmine D.



Too bad Oreck doesn't have a low setting.  They certainly will not pick up in one pass on carpet.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #97   Jan 20, 2010 7:58 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Too bad Oreck doesn't have a low setting.  They certainly will not pick up in one pass on carpet.



HS:

The HOOVER basher and dyson luver but seller who now owns TWO HOOVER uprights and luvs his bagged HOOVER lightweight Platinum upright which Consumer Reports rates as top in its class tho scorning Consumer Reports in the process........perhaps as an 8/9 pound simple and easy upright to use for all surfaces, ORECK doesn't need rug and floor height settings like most full size 20 plus pound uprights with tools on board.  That should make complete sense to anyone like you who says one thing and does the complete opposite.  Oh I know, you had a twist of heart, I mean a change of heart.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #98   Jan 20, 2010 12:39 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Dib-ster:

I didn't realize it was a true or false test.  I thought the answer was multiple choice and "all of the above."

Carmine D.


No, the fun is watching you and then attacking what you say and represent.


Dyson Invents Big


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #99   Jan 20, 2010 1:03 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
No, the fun is watching you and then attacking what you say and represent.


Dyson Invents Big



Dib-ster:

Watching you try and fail miserably is fun for me too and makes me laugh!

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #100   Jan 20, 2010 2:31 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Dib-ster:

Watching you try and fail miserably is fun for me too and makes me laugh!

Carmine D.


Carmine,

You've got a "Kick Me" sign on your back, only you're slow to know it.


Dyson Invents Big


HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #101   Jan 20, 2010 2:31 pm
CarmineD wrote:
HS:

The HOOVER basher and dyson luver but seller who now owns TWO HOOVER uprights and luvs his bagged HOOVER lightweight Platinum upright which Consumer Reports rates as top in its class tho scorning Consumer Reports in the process........perhaps as an 8/9 pound simple and easy upright to use for all surfaces, ORECK doesn't need rug and floor height settings like most full size 20 plus pound uprights with tools on board.  That should make complete sense to anyone like you who says one thing and does the complete opposite.  Oh I know, you had a twist of heart, I mean a change of heart.

Carmine D.


I own only the Platinum and not two Hoover uprights.  Your NPD is still there isn't it?  CR had nothing to do with my purchase.  Owning is not luving.  It has faults like all vacs do.  It will suffice until I get the urge to push another around the home.  Did I mention that I returned Orecks because of subpar performance?  Only the inventor or a filthy home owner would be proud of an Oreck.

Remember the Platinum is not the Hoover that Dyson whooped.

Perhaps a brick or cement block placed on the Oreck would exert enough down force for it to actually be effective on carpets.  Now that makes sense.  I am not doing the opposite of what I say.  I still say that the DC07 is superior to Oreck and Hoover.  Unless you have inferior carpets or could care less about clean carpets.  No twists here. 


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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #102   Jan 20, 2010 2:44 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Thank you.

I believe going with a floating head was a genius business-move.


Dyson Invents Big
CarmineD wrote:
Dib-ster:

Hence the reason Tom G always said dyson needs a vacuum historian who can help him and dyson get it right.  While Tom and I don't always see eye to eye on vacuum matters, we do on this one.  Didn't work for HOOVER in 1963 and the company quickly added a manual rug height adjustment then self power.  Didn't work for dyson in 2002 and FINALLY after 7 years added a fingertip control that other makers already had.  Innovation?  Genius?  Quick, get that dictionary again.  Somebody changed the definition and didn't tell me.

Carmine D.


Multi-cyclonic’s, with a full-proof nozzle arrangement guaranteed a full bin and a full bank account for Sir James Dyson.  I consider this genius.


Dyson Invents Big


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #103   Jan 20, 2010 4:26 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
I own only the Platinum and not two Hoover uprights.  Your NPD is still there isn't it?  CR had nothing to do with my purchase.  Owning is not luving.  It has faults like all vacs do.  It will suffice until I get the urge to push another around the home.  Did I mention that I returned Orecks because of subpar performance?  Only the inventor or a filthy home owner would be proud of an Oreck.

Remember the Platinum is not the Hoover that Dyson whooped.

Perhaps a brick or cement block placed on the Oreck would exert enough down force for it to actually be effective on carpets.  Now that makes sense.  I am not doing the opposite of what I say.  I still say that the DC07 is superior to Oreck and Hoover.  Unless you have inferior carpets or could care less about clean carpets.  No twists here. 


.


HS:

Tell me, if DC07 is so good why did dyson discontinue?  Why did it never rise to the level of being THE signature dyson model? 

Carmine D.

This message was modified Jan 20, 2010 by CarmineD
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #104   Jan 20, 2010 4:27 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Multi-cyclonic’s, with a full-proof nozzle arrangement guaranteed a full bin and a full bank account for Sir James Dyson.  I consider this genius.


Dyson Invents Big



Dib-ster:

Really?  Good for him.  After 5174 tries, he deserves some monetary benefits.  I'm happy for him.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #105   Jan 20, 2010 4:30 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,

You've got a "Kick Me" sign on your back, only you're slow to know it.


Dyson Invents Big


Dib-ster:

Your reading abilities/eye sight are lacking.  It says kiss me.  Front and back.  Great way to make female friends!  Should try it if you ever get to Las Vegas

Carmine D.

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