Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

That's new to me.  I thought there was only Dyson that had the technology to ensure that height adjustment is correct.  Is this an admission on Dyson's part that they failed to adjust properly prior to this new DC28?    I don't think there's even a consensus that this technology works - due to the difficulty in pushing the DC28.

By the way, I've always credited Dyson with having a good dust containment system - provided the cyclones are not overloaded.  The weakness is in the nozzle and brush roll with most Dysons - and apparently the height adjustment in all but the DC28...

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Severus wrote:
Venson,

The floating head always trumps a head requiring manual height adjustment when the majority of folks simply do not adjust or adjust properly.  CR can adjust a head properly, but it cannot get it’s head around the fact that the majority of its paying subscribers cannot or will not.  CR delivers a crap product in this regard.

The DC28 does work but feels heavy.  A lighter version maybe?

I’m not buying the Venson - bad guy, Severus - good guy Dyson role-play.  I find it freaky.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

You're arguing against yourself.  Either dyson had it right with the floating head and should have stuck with it.  Or, it has it right with the rug adjustments and should stick with it.  You can't argue that each is superior to the other.  You have to take a stand for one or the other as the superior approach.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Cameron,

I do what I want, and I often back it up too.  Thank you.

What is it about the ease of pressing 1 of 4 flooring type selection-switches on the DC28 do you find difficulty with or difficulty understanding?  I say joe-public or the masses CAN easily get their head around these selection choices and take advantage of these technologies.  By comparison, I say joe-public or the masses CANNOT get their heads around and/or forgo selecting the ‘all to important’ manual height adjustment (for whatever reasons).  The DC28 selection switching is very user-friendly and the Dyson floating head is 100% user full-proof.


Dyson Invents Big

CarmineD wrote:
...or we could turn that argument around and say that some folks here persistently said that Dyson should improve in that area... as soon as they're seen to improve, they're still beating the drum, because they didn't once upon a time...

DysonInventsBig wrote:
James Dyson said that he preferred the floating head method to manual height adjustment, as he believed the vast majority of people didn't bother with the convoluted method bending down to slide across a lever for each floor type. This was certainly true to my personal experience, back in the day, wondering what this lever was for on the family vacuum, since it never seemed to be used for anything. If people don't use it in practice, it's next to useless and little more than a 'me too' selling gimmick.

If you *are* going to have such a feature, the approach of having an effective implementation and easy to use controls sounds reasonable. Personally, I want a vac to do a *good* job and I'm not sure if I should worry about deep down cleaning. But for getting good cleaning scores that matter to a percentage of the buying public, it'll be interesting to see if Dyson's approach pays off - anybody here have any idea on how well it scores as yet??

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dustmite,

Just for fun, how does Dyson advise you to pick the height setting?  Do they provide working definitions for short, deep, and medium pile carpeting?    

As for the ideal system of adjustment, I would think that Sebo/Windsor is close to the ideal with it's automatic height adjustment. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB

I gotta say ,excellent point on the floating head....as i personally prefer the floating head over the manual setting. Never really seen where one

cleans better than the other ...

turtle1

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE

Ive yet to see any bagless upright stand up to commercial use.....they come in D.O.A..... ..never  returning  to work. Bagged is the way to go...ive also noticed that those who once ordered sanitaires w/ shake out bags...hate them and order the bag set up.....the majority of our vac sales are to previous bagless owners...who went bagged then bagless then back to bagged.....within a year or two.  Full bag out......new bag in and your done. But i will say that bagless cans do seem to hold up very well....only come in for annual/bi-annual full service.....pretty solid machines  from what ive seen.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

Dib-ster is trying to have it both ways.  So is Sir James.  And you too with the above argument.  You want to say that Sir James had it right with the floating head and no adjustments for the reasons he stated: People don't use the adjustments properly anyway.  Then, after the defunct clutches and floating heads proved problematic on many USA carpets, Sir James got it right by adding adjustments that require manual setting, save the automatic default to medium when you power up.  Perhaps, Sir James is trying for run as a Parliament Member, and practicing being all things to all people. 

Dyson is by no means the first brand to have fingertip controls for rug height adjustments.  The HOOVER Z had them before dyson and so did the EUREKA lux Intensity.  These two models have been maligned either by Sir James/dyson fans.  The Intensity via a formal grievance with the ASA by Sir James.  The HOOVER Z by dyson admirers who impugn its lackluster sales at big box stores.  Yet both were good enough to be copied by dyson at least WRT the the fingertip control rug height adjustments.  Then too dyson copied the floating head from HOOVER's Dial-A-Matic................from 1963.  That's innovative?  Quick, get me a dictionary so I can see if the definition changed and no-one told me.

Carmine D.