Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

Lucky1 wrote:
Lucky1,

You’re still lumping in the Dyson-fakes (cartridge filtered) with real Dyson vacuum technologies as if they are technological equals.  When a nothing of a company (namely Iona) got into the upright and canister business for the first time using Dyson technologies and/or designs they did $200m in three years, and most of this was direct marketing.  The primary group that refuses to accept Dyson (anything) proven technologies as advancements are Dyson competitors and their representatives.

Personally, I think the Dyson-fakes gave the independent bag vacuum business a boost in the arm... Unhappy fake users walked into independents and walked out with a bagged vacuum.  Now that there’s more and more Dyson knock-offs flooding the market, I’d expect to see a slowing of unhappy cartridge filtered-bagless vac (Dyson-fakes) owners coming through the independents door.


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DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

While there certainly are bagless vacuums with the old filter in the middle (as well as the "Kirby conversion kit"), the trend is the use of Dyson equivalent dual cyclone filtration at a considerable discount to the original.  Since the Dyson dual cyclone patent protection is gone, you don't have to buy a Dyson to get Dyson like performance in a knockoff.
In fact, some of the knockoffs perform better than Dyson's because of other design factors.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Severus wrote:
Goofy,

I’m glad to hear you point out that Dyson technologies continue to be the trend. 

I’d like to see this better knockoff performer.  If you’re talking CR results, these do not translate to real-world results.  The Dyson insures proper contact with all floor types and insures the masses get mass amounts of dust, grit and debris into the clear bin container.  Vacuums that use a manual adjustment cannot guarantee this, nor can any manufacturer guarantee their users understand how to.

Thanks for the heads up and tip.


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DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

The once dyson bagless only retailers have shelves full of the knock offs.  Ask the store staff and they'll tell you the knock offs sell better now than dysons which sit collecting dust on the shelves and/or are used to vacuum the stores. 

You must coat your shoes with candy cane flavoring.  You stick your foot in your mouth so often you have to enjoy the taste.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

That's new to me.  I thought there was only Dyson that had the technology to ensure that height adjustment is correct.  Is this an admission on Dyson's part that they failed to adjust properly prior to this new DC28?    I don't think there's even a consensus that this technology works - due to the difficulty in pushing the DC28.

By the way, I've always credited Dyson with having a good dust containment system - provided the cyclones are not overloaded.  The weakness is in the nozzle and brush roll with most Dysons - and apparently the height adjustment in all but the DC28...

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Severus wrote:
Venson,

The floating head always trumps a head requiring manual height adjustment when the majority of folks simply do not adjust or adjust properly.  CR can adjust a head properly, but it cannot get it’s head around the fact that the majority of its paying subscribers cannot or will not.  CR delivers a crap product in this regard.

The DC28 does work but feels heavy.  A lighter version maybe?

I’m not buying the Venson - bad guy, Severus - good guy Dyson role-play.  I find it freaky.


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DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

You're arguing against yourself.  Either dyson had it right with the floating head and should have stuck with it.  Or, it has it right with the rug adjustments and should stick with it.  You can't argue that each is superior to the other.  You have to take a stand for one or the other as the superior approach.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Cameron,

I do what I want, and I often back it up too.  Thank you.

What is it about the ease of pressing 1 of 4 flooring type selection-switches on the DC28 do you find difficulty with or difficulty understanding?  I say joe-public or the masses CAN easily get their head around these selection choices and take advantage of these technologies.  By comparison, I say joe-public or the masses CANNOT get their heads around and/or forgo selecting the ‘all to important’ manual height adjustment (for whatever reasons).  The DC28 selection switching is very user-friendly and the Dyson floating head is 100% user full-proof.


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CarmineD wrote:
...or we could turn that argument around and say that some folks here persistently said that Dyson should improve in that area... as soon as they're seen to improve, they're still beating the drum, because they didn't once upon a time...

DysonInventsBig wrote:
James Dyson said that he preferred the floating head method to manual height adjustment, as he believed the vast majority of people didn't bother with the convoluted method bending down to slide across a lever for each floor type. This was certainly true to my personal experience, back in the day, wondering what this lever was for on the family vacuum, since it never seemed to be used for anything. If people don't use it in practice, it's next to useless and little more than a 'me too' selling gimmick.

If you *are* going to have such a feature, the approach of having an effective implementation and easy to use controls sounds reasonable. Personally, I want a vac to do a *good* job and I'm not sure if I should worry about deep down cleaning. But for getting good cleaning scores that matter to a percentage of the buying public, it'll be interesting to see if Dyson's approach pays off - anybody here have any idea on how well it scores as yet??