Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

DIB,

  Fast and furious. I beg to differ.This weekend  I sold four bagged vacuums to people who wanted no more bagless vacuums. One was a Dyson DC-25. When a person's health is the factor a bagless will lose everytime. I know Dyson has the Allergy seal from Great Britain but what about U.S.?   I have yet to see a doctor recommend a bagless vacuum to anyone with asthma or allergy in my area.or in writing. The cleaner of choice in my hospital is Aerus Guardian Upright. They have never used a bagless in the hospital. The only bagless vacuum I could see being used in a hospital or a  home is a central vacuum.

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DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

The bagless fad's legacy in the USA, not sure about elsewhere, will be handhelds, sticks, robots, central vacuum systems and perhaps some applications for commercial vacuums/cleaning services.  WRT full size household vacuums, canisters and uprights, bagless will be primarily the venue for less expensive, non-repairable and use/dispose brands and models sold primarily through big box stores.  Bagged vacuums have been and will continue as the vacuum of choice for the majority of American consumers, households, motels, hotels, hospitals, restaurants and all other applications. 

Dyson made an ignoble attempt, through slick pitches and claims, to conquer and destroy the bagged vacuum industry as we know it.  He tried to make it exclusively bagless.  [Why is the question].  He failed.  It didn't work.  It won't work for all the reasons already detailed here.  You should be content in knowing that the legacy of your fave innovator Sir James is this:  A high priced bagless vacuum with a niche market in the USA.  Sir James will have to work very hard in the future, just like all the other vacuum makers have, to attract and keep customers buying his brand/models.  That's dyson's number one goal and mission now.  [Not warring against bagged vacuums].  By him reducing vacuum operations from 31 plus global markets to only 6 [US, CAN, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRIA, JAPAN, and UK] in 2010, Sir James and dyson are making a realistic start. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

You still refuse to accept that the popularity of the Bagless vacuum is based on that it is better suited for the RETAILER not the CUSTOMER. In addition the companies don't position it correctly to Retailers and in turn make them only advantageous to Box Stores & Internet whores not Indies. At every step they are cutting their own business in the long term for short term profit. It's not sustainable if they continue business as usual. If Simplicity/Riccar would come out with a bagless in conjunction with their business model it would do very well.

Lucky1 wrote:
Lucky1,

You’re still lumping in the Dyson-fakes (cartridge filtered) with real Dyson vacuum technologies as if they are technological equals.  When a nothing of a company (namely Iona) got into the upright and canister business for the first time using Dyson technologies and/or designs they did $200m in three years, and most of this was direct marketing.  The primary group that refuses to accept Dyson (anything) proven technologies as advancements are Dyson competitors and their representatives.

Personally, I think the Dyson-fakes gave the independent bag vacuum business a boost in the arm... Unhappy fake users walked into independents and walked out with a bagged vacuum.  Now that there’s more and more Dyson knock-offs flooding the market, I’d expect to see a slowing of unhappy cartridge filtered-bagless vac (Dyson-fakes) owners coming through the independents door.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

While there certainly are bagless vacuums with the old filter in the middle (as well as the "Kirby conversion kit"), the trend is the use of Dyson equivalent dual cyclone filtration at a considerable discount to the original.  Since the Dyson dual cyclone patent protection is gone, you don't have to buy a Dyson to get Dyson like performance in a knockoff.
In fact, some of the knockoffs perform better than Dyson's because of other design factors.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Severus wrote:
Goofy,

I’m glad to hear you point out that Dyson technologies continue to be the trend. 

I’d like to see this better knockoff performer.  If you’re talking CR results, these do not translate to real-world results.  The Dyson insures proper contact with all floor types and insures the masses get mass amounts of dust, grit and debris into the clear bin container.  Vacuums that use a manual adjustment cannot guarantee this, nor can any manufacturer guarantee their users understand how to.

Thanks for the heads up and tip.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

The once dyson bagless only retailers have shelves full of the knock offs.  Ask the store staff and they'll tell you the knock offs sell better now than dysons which sit collecting dust on the shelves and/or are used to vacuum the stores. 

You must coat your shoes with candy cane flavoring.  You stick your foot in your mouth so often you have to enjoy the taste.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

That's new to me.  I thought there was only Dyson that had the technology to ensure that height adjustment is correct.  Is this an admission on Dyson's part that they failed to adjust properly prior to this new DC28?    I don't think there's even a consensus that this technology works - due to the difficulty in pushing the DC28.

By the way, I've always credited Dyson with having a good dust containment system - provided the cyclones are not overloaded.  The weakness is in the nozzle and brush roll with most Dysons - and apparently the height adjustment in all but the DC28...

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Severus wrote:
Venson,

The floating head always trumps a head requiring manual height adjustment when the majority of folks simply do not adjust or adjust properly.  CR can adjust a head properly, but it cannot get it’s head around the fact that the majority of its paying subscribers cannot or will not.  CR delivers a crap product in this regard.

The DC28 does work but feels heavy.  A lighter version maybe?

I’m not buying the Venson - bad guy, Severus - good guy Dyson role-play.  I find it freaky.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

You're arguing against yourself.  Either dyson had it right with the floating head and should have stuck with it.  Or, it has it right with the rug adjustments and should stick with it.  You can't argue that each is superior to the other.  You have to take a stand for one or the other as the superior approach.

Carmine D.