Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

CarmineD wrote:

And you said that Dyson would not survive and that Hoover would prevail.  Just the opposite happened.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

You flatter yourself with your own spinned stories.  It was the dyson advocates and fans here who said dyson would kill off all the vacuum competition in time like HOOVER and ORECK to mention two brands that get into your craw.  That didn't happen.

BTW, did you ever answer SEVERUS's question?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
...I'd rather not.


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DysonInventsBig wrote:

No need, Dib-ster.  SEVERUS is right.  80 percent is not verifiable/accurate.  Never was, never will be not in my lifetime or yours.  It is merely a seat of the pants figure to sound and look good at the time.  Obviously,  Tom G works for a vacuum brand that ONLY produces/sells bagged vacuums, namely TACONY.  If he really believes bagless will be the survivor and bagged will go the way of the horse and buggy, he would not be working for TACONY.  It would be a short-lived career. 

What Tom G knows to be true is vastly different, if Trebor recounts correctly and I believe he does, from what he says is true.  Actions my friend always speak louder than words.

Carmine D.

Well, at the end of the day if you can find a major hospital that uses Dyson vacuums, please enlighten me. Despite Dyson's best efforts when it comes dirt disposal, bags will always have a better justification.

The bagged vacuum is a technological dog.  Vacuum manufacturers abandonment of the tired consumer bag vacuum has been fast and furious.


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DIB,

  Fast and furious. I beg to differ.This weekend  I sold four bagged vacuums to people who wanted no more bagless vacuums. One was a Dyson DC-25. When a person's health is the factor a bagless will lose everytime. I know Dyson has the Allergy seal from Great Britain but what about U.S.?   I have yet to see a doctor recommend a bagless vacuum to anyone with asthma or allergy in my area.or in writing. The cleaner of choice in my hospital is Aerus Guardian Upright. They have never used a bagless in the hospital. The only bagless vacuum I could see being used in a hospital or a  home is a central vacuum.

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DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

The bagless fad's legacy in the USA, not sure about elsewhere, will be handhelds, sticks, robots, central vacuum systems and perhaps some applications for commercial vacuums/cleaning services.  WRT full size household vacuums, canisters and uprights, bagless will be primarily the venue for less expensive, non-repairable and use/dispose brands and models sold primarily through big box stores.  Bagged vacuums have been and will continue as the vacuum of choice for the majority of American consumers, households, motels, hotels, hospitals, restaurants and all other applications. 

Dyson made an ignoble attempt, through slick pitches and claims, to conquer and destroy the bagged vacuum industry as we know it.  He tried to make it exclusively bagless.  [Why is the question].  He failed.  It didn't work.  It won't work for all the reasons already detailed here.  You should be content in knowing that the legacy of your fave innovator Sir James is this:  A high priced bagless vacuum with a niche market in the USA.  Sir James will have to work very hard in the future, just like all the other vacuum makers have, to attract and keep customers buying his brand/models.  That's dyson's number one goal and mission now.  [Not warring against bagged vacuums].  By him reducing vacuum operations from 31 plus global markets to only 6 [US, CAN, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRIA, JAPAN, and UK] in 2010, Sir James and dyson are making a realistic start. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

You still refuse to accept that the popularity of the Bagless vacuum is based on that it is better suited for the RETAILER not the CUSTOMER. In addition the companies don't position it correctly to Retailers and in turn make them only advantageous to Box Stores & Internet whores not Indies. At every step they are cutting their own business in the long term for short term profit. It's not sustainable if they continue business as usual. If Simplicity/Riccar would come out with a bagless in conjunction with their business model it would do very well.

Lucky1 wrote:
Lucky1,

You’re still lumping in the Dyson-fakes (cartridge filtered) with real Dyson vacuum technologies as if they are technological equals.  When a nothing of a company (namely Iona) got into the upright and canister business for the first time using Dyson technologies and/or designs they did $200m in three years, and most of this was direct marketing.  The primary group that refuses to accept Dyson (anything) proven technologies as advancements are Dyson competitors and their representatives.

Personally, I think the Dyson-fakes gave the independent bag vacuum business a boost in the arm... Unhappy fake users walked into independents and walked out with a bagged vacuum.  Now that there’s more and more Dyson knock-offs flooding the market, I’d expect to see a slowing of unhappy cartridge filtered-bagless vac (Dyson-fakes) owners coming through the independents door.


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