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CarmineD
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #62 Jan 16, 2010 8:41 pm |
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Procare,
The 80% number was reported here by Trebor after a conversation he had with Tom G.. Carmine an others pull many anti-Dyson claims out of thin-air which go unchallenged by the bag-sellers and bag-huggers here, so what’s wrong with going with this 80% number?
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Dib-ster:
If you can/would , please provide the post here that you are attributed to Trebor based on a conversation with Tom G. I'd like to see the context in which it was made. It doesn't apply to full size vacuums for all the reasons already provided here by several posters. It may apply to hands and sticks, which as I said is probably correct. Maybe even on the low side. Carmine D.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #63 Jan 17, 2010 12:07 am |
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Dib-ster: If you can/would , please provide the post here that you are attributed to Trebor based on a conversation with Tom G. I'd like to see the context in which it was made. It doesn't apply to full size vacuums for all the reasons already provided here by several posters. It may apply to hands and sticks, which as I said is probably correct. Maybe even on the low side. Carmine D. I recall the conversation. Although I am impressed with Tom Gasko's vacuum cleaner knowledge, I have no reason to believe that he is privy to industry sales figures.
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #64 Jan 17, 2010 1:31 am |
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Procare,
The 80% number was reported here by Trebor after a conversation he had with Tom G.. Carmine an others pull many anti-Dyson claims out of thin-air which go unchallenged by the bag-sellers and bag-huggers here, so what’s wrong with going with this 80% number?
Who told you Dyson filtration is hype? Science is not hype, unless one is talking with a competing vacuum bag manufacturer or their representation. Excluding you, many bag-sellers and bag-huggers cannot get their heads around how to empty a Dyson with little to no dust plume and find reading and/or comprehending and/or following through with the manufacturers maintenance routine even a greater challenge.
With regards to ‘Dyson owner blame-Dyson delusional types’... these too, find reading and/or comprehending and/or following through with the manufacturers maintenance routine a great challenge.
There are no dust plume or maintenance victim Dyson-owners, but there are some ‘bellyache like a victim’ Dyson-owners.
Dyson Invents Big Dustmite, You're response is without logic. Are you trying to say that the dust particles picked up by a Dyson are immune from the laws of physics. With a Rainbow, the dust is mixed with water, so it doesn't fly. However, small dust particles scatter when emptied out of any bagless vacuum. That is why Consumer Reports recommends that anyone with allergies wear a dustmask when emptying a bagless vacuum. Here are additional comments from the achooallergy.com web site concerning Dyson. From: http://www.achooallergy.com/dyson.asp ... "Since the removal of the dust bin allows allergens to escape into the surrounding air, we recommend that you always empty the dust bin outdoors. If you suffer from allergies or asthma, ask someone else to empty the dust for you, or wear an allergy mask for the task." The 80% number may be correct, but it is just as likely to be 60%. The 80% was Tom Gasko's seat of the pants estimate - a number pulled out of the air.
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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CarmineD
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #65 Jan 17, 2010 8:07 am |
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Dustmite,
You're response is without logic. Are you trying to say that the dust particles picked up by a Dyson are immune from the laws of physics. With a Rainbow, the dust is mixed with water, so it doesn't fly. However, small dust particles scatter when emptied out of any bagless vacuum. That is why Consumer Reports recommends that anyone with allergies wear a dustmask when emptying a bagless vacuum. Here are additional comments from the achooallergy.com web site concerning Dyson.
From: http://www.achooallergy.com/dyson.asp
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"Since the removal of the dust bin allows allergens to escape into the surrounding air, we recommend that you always empty the dust bin outdoors. If you suffer from allergies or asthma, ask someone else to empty the dust for you, or wear an allergy mask for the task."
The 80% number may be correct, but it is just as likely to be 60%. The 80% was Tom Gasko's seat of the pants estimate - a number pulled out of the air.
SEVERUS:
I'm amazed to see the huge volume of bag companies/makers producing and selling vacuum bags now. Seems more brands of bags are offered now since the introduction of bagless vacuums in the USA than ever before in the industry. Retailers' store shelves are filled with them. Not a sign that bagged vacuums are in the minority and on the decline. Just the opposite. My friend Tom G. also prophesied when dyson was launched in the USA that paper bags and vacuums would go the same route of the horse and buggy? It's been 9 years now, and that didn't happen. In fact based on the above, just the opposite is true. Carmine D.
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #66 Jan 17, 2010 8:30 am |
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SEVERUS: I'm amazed to see the huge volume of bag companies/makers producing and selling vacuum bags now. Seems more brands of bags are offered now since the introduction of bagless vacuums in the USA than ever before in the industry. Retailers' store shelves are filled with them. Not a sign that bagged vacuums are in the minority and on the decline. Just the opposite. My friend Tom G. also prophesied when dyson was launched in the USA that paper bags and vacuums would go the same route of the horse and buggy? It's been 9 years now, and that didn't happen. In fact based on the above, just the opposite is true. Carmine D. And you said that Dyson would not survive and that Hoover would prevail. Just the opposite happened.
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CarmineD
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #67 Jan 17, 2010 8:51 am |
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And you said that Dyson would not survive and that Hoover would prevail. Just the opposite happened.
HARDSELL:
You flatter yourself with your own spinned stories. It was the dyson advocates and fans here who said dyson would kill off all the vacuum competition in time like HOOVER and ORECK to mention two brands that get into your craw. That didn't happen. BTW, did you ever answer SEVERUS's question? Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #68 Jan 17, 2010 11:31 am |
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Dib-ster: If you can/would , please provide the post here that you are attributed to Trebor based on a conversation with Tom G. . Carmine D. ...I'd rather not. Dyson Invents Big
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CarmineD
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #69 Jan 17, 2010 2:21 pm |
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...I'd rather not.
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No need, Dib-ster. SEVERUS is right. 80 percent is not verifiable/accurate. Never was, never will be not in my lifetime or yours. It is merely a seat of the pants figure to sound and look good at the time. Obviously, Tom G works for a vacuum brand that ONLY produces/sells bagged vacuums, namely TACONY. If he really believes bagless will be the survivor and bagged will go the way of the horse and buggy, he would not be working for TACONY. It would be a short-lived career.
What Tom G knows to be true is vastly different, if Trebor recounts correctly and I believe he does, from what he says is true. Actions my friend always speak louder than words. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: bagless kirby conversion
Reply #71 Jan 17, 2010 7:01 pm |
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The bagged vacuum is a technological dog. Vacuum manufacturers abandonment of the tired consumer bag vacuum has been fast and furious. Dyson Invents Big
This message was modified Jan 17, 2010 by DysonInventsBig
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