Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

Since the bulk of handhelds and sticks use a [bagless] dirt cup, your mentioning them only supports my 80% number.  What are you smokin?


Dyson Invents Big

DIB,

I don't know where you get that  80% of the Vacuum Cleaner market is  bagless. All you are looking at is the big box store inventory and not the other venues that sell vacuum cleaners. Out here in the real world people are being turned off to bagless and buying bagged. There are  a generation or 2 that have not relly expirienced the problems of bagless and listen to the hype in ads but when they expirience the problems of bagless first hand they ask -"Is there anything else out there with less headache?"  All the major brands are still selling bagged. If it were so great (bagless) all would sell it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                   Procare

  

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

I don't smoke and/or drink.  You should try refraining from both too.  May improve your reading comprehension.

As I've said here oftentimes, sticks and handhelds are excellent venues for bagless dirt containment systems.  Full size vacuums for household usage, which sell 20 MILLION new units a year in most recent years, are better suited for bags for all the reasons illuminated on this thread.  For these reasons, full size bagged vacuum sales have gained market share in recent years while bagless vacuum sales, including your fave brand, are losing.  Add all the pros for bagged vacuums by Carpet and Rug Institute, Consumer Reports, and health care professionals for persons with allergies and breathing issues.  You have my friend a dirge for bagless in the future for full size vacuum sales including, your fave brand.

Carmine D.

procare wrote:
Procare,

The 80% number was reported here by Trebor after a conversation he had with Tom G..  Carmine an others pull many anti-Dyson claims out of thin-air which go unchallenged by the bag-sellers and bag-huggers here, so what’s wrong with going with this 80% number?

Who told you Dyson filtration is hype?  Science is not hype, unless one is talking with a competing vacuum bag manufacturer or their representation.  Excluding you, many bag-sellers and bag-huggers cannot get their heads around how to empty a Dyson with little to no dust plume and find reading and/or comprehending and/or following through with the manufacturers maintenance routine even a greater challenge.

With regards to ‘Dyson owner blame-Dyson delusional types’...  these too, find reading and/or comprehending and/or following through with the manufacturers maintenance routine a great challenge.

There are no dust plume or maintenance victim Dyson-owners, but there are some ‘bellyache like a victim’ Dyson-owners.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Humans are by nature lazy creatures of habit. Cleaning a dust/dirt bin and or filters after each use is probably not going to happen with the majority of Dyson owners. Therefore I believe that the HEPA bags are a far better choice. Personally I'm intrigued by the Dyson Root Cyclone system and I'll probably buy one at some point. However I have to admit that for my lifestyle a bagged system is better suited. No clogs to worry about, no filters to clean/change, no messy dirt plume to contend with. Simply remove full bag and install new, clean empty bag and resume vacuuming. I bet I can do that faster than a jack rabbit on a date. To go through all the necessary steps with a bagless system would require more steps/downtime.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

If you can/would , please provide the post here that you are attributed to Trebor based on a conversation with Tom G.   I'd like to see the context in which it was made.  It doesn't apply to full size vacuums for all the reasons already provided here by several posters.  It may apply to hands and sticks, which as I said is probably correct.  Maybe even on the low side.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I recall the conversation.  Although I am impressed with Tom Gasko's vacuum cleaner knowledge, I have no reason to believe that he is privy to industry sales figures. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Dustmite,

You're response is without logic.   Are you trying to say that the dust particles picked up by a Dyson are immune from the laws of physics.  With a Rainbow, the dust is mixed with water, so it doesn't fly.  However, small dust particles scatter when emptied out of any bagless vacuum.  That is why Consumer Reports recommends that anyone with allergies wear a dustmask when emptying a bagless vacuum.   Here are additional comments from the achooallergy.com web site concerning Dyson.

From:  http://www.achooallergy.com/dyson.asp
...
"Since the removal of the dust bin allows allergens to escape into the surrounding air, we recommend that you always empty the dust bin outdoors. If you suffer from allergies or asthma, ask someone else to empty the dust for you, or wear an allergy mask for the task."

The 80% number may be correct, but it is just as likely to be 60%.  The 80% was Tom Gasko's seat of the pants estimate - a number pulled out of the air. 

Severus wrote:

SEVERUS:

I'm amazed to see the huge volume of bag companies/makers producing and selling vacuum bags now.  Seems more brands of bags are offered now since the introduction of bagless vacuums in the USA than ever before in the industry.  Retailers' store shelves are filled with them.  Not a sign that bagged vacuums are in the minority and on the decline.  Just the opposite. 

My friend Tom G. also prophesied when dyson was launched in the USA that paper bags and vacuums would go the same route of the horse and buggy?  It's been 9 years now, and that didn't happen.  In fact based on the above, just the opposite is true. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

And you said that Dyson would not survive and that Hoover would prevail.  Just the opposite happened.