Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I'm not very impressed with the design, but there's a guy who offers a way to convert Kirbys from bag to dirt canister.  Unfortunately, it doesn't offer dual cyclone or better technology.  It looks like you clean the pleated filter after every use.  I think I'd rather pay for bags than this gimmick.

http://www.kirbybagsneveragain.com/

jhannah wrote:

Excellent points.  The bagless pitch was superior to bagless experience.  Bagless pitches overshot the benefits.  Users who bought into the exaggerated bagless claims are left disappointed.  Add the costs for pre and post motor bagless filters [easily $50 for both depending on the brands/models] and the time, and effort to wash/dry the filters and constantly having to dump the bagless dirt bins.  Easy to understand the reasons for the trend.  Repeat bagless vacuum sales are falling out of favor while bagged sales are rebounding.

Carmine D.

jhannah:

Jim Keeler tried to capitalize on the bagless fad and perhaps grind an ax with Kirby.  Didn't work.  Perhaps you should tell him to read the thread here.  May be insightful for him in the future.  Tho may not, but at least you ca say you told him to do so.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

LOL, I may just do that. At least I got the last word in and I hope that my experience will help a few others make the right choice before they get taken to the cleaners.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

Since the bulk of handhelds and sticks use a [bagless] dirt cup, your mentioning them only supports my 80% number.  What are you smokin?


Dyson Invents Big

DIB,

I don't know where you get that  80% of the Vacuum Cleaner market is  bagless. All you are looking at is the big box store inventory and not the other venues that sell vacuum cleaners. Out here in the real world people are being turned off to bagless and buying bagged. There are  a generation or 2 that have not relly expirienced the problems of bagless and listen to the hype in ads but when they expirience the problems of bagless first hand they ask -"Is there anything else out there with less headache?"  All the major brands are still selling bagged. If it were so great (bagless) all would sell it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                   Procare

  

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

I don't smoke and/or drink.  You should try refraining from both too.  May improve your reading comprehension.

As I've said here oftentimes, sticks and handhelds are excellent venues for bagless dirt containment systems.  Full size vacuums for household usage, which sell 20 MILLION new units a year in most recent years, are better suited for bags for all the reasons illuminated on this thread.  For these reasons, full size bagged vacuum sales have gained market share in recent years while bagless vacuum sales, including your fave brand, are losing.  Add all the pros for bagged vacuums by Carpet and Rug Institute, Consumer Reports, and health care professionals for persons with allergies and breathing issues.  You have my friend a dirge for bagless in the future for full size vacuum sales including, your fave brand.

Carmine D.

procare wrote:
Procare,

The 80% number was reported here by Trebor after a conversation he had with Tom G..  Carmine an others pull many anti-Dyson claims out of thin-air which go unchallenged by the bag-sellers and bag-huggers here, so what’s wrong with going with this 80% number?

Who told you Dyson filtration is hype?  Science is not hype, unless one is talking with a competing vacuum bag manufacturer or their representation.  Excluding you, many bag-sellers and bag-huggers cannot get their heads around how to empty a Dyson with little to no dust plume and find reading and/or comprehending and/or following through with the manufacturers maintenance routine even a greater challenge.

With regards to ‘Dyson owner blame-Dyson delusional types’...  these too, find reading and/or comprehending and/or following through with the manufacturers maintenance routine a great challenge.

There are no dust plume or maintenance victim Dyson-owners, but there are some ‘bellyache like a victim’ Dyson-owners.


Dyson Invents Big

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Humans are by nature lazy creatures of habit. Cleaning a dust/dirt bin and or filters after each use is probably not going to happen with the majority of Dyson owners. Therefore I believe that the HEPA bags are a far better choice. Personally I'm intrigued by the Dyson Root Cyclone system and I'll probably buy one at some point. However I have to admit that for my lifestyle a bagged system is better suited. No clogs to worry about, no filters to clean/change, no messy dirt plume to contend with. Simply remove full bag and install new, clean empty bag and resume vacuuming. I bet I can do that faster than a jack rabbit on a date. To go through all the necessary steps with a bagless system would require more steps/downtime.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dib-ster:

If you can/would , please provide the post here that you are attributed to Trebor based on a conversation with Tom G.   I'd like to see the context in which it was made.  It doesn't apply to full size vacuums for all the reasons already provided here by several posters.  It may apply to hands and sticks, which as I said is probably correct.  Maybe even on the low side.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I recall the conversation.  Although I am impressed with Tom Gasko's vacuum cleaner knowledge, I have no reason to believe that he is privy to industry sales figures.