Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Procare,

I enjoy defending my words (when I’m right), only I do not recall saying James Dyson was first with Bagless.  He and his team are no-doubt the first to invent and/or innovate the worlds first consumer friendly vacuum cleaner separator package/system.  I personally hate the word bagless.  Anyways...  below is the Newcombe patent.  Who here can ascertain from this patent if the claims worked and how well?  Funny thing is Hoover UK passed on using this patent to demonstrate prior art as well as other Dyson competitors.  It looks like a hell-of-an-attempt.

Look, you guys are desperate to find error or a chink in the Dyson armor.  If the guy was not first with cyclonic, then he should be deemed brightest and smartest instead. 

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1420665.pdf


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Dib-ster:

The point is that Sir James Dyson, your idol, publicly and professionally takes all credit for bagless vacuums now.  You give dyson here this credit when you impugn copy cat brands and models for imitating dyson bagless.  But it's not Sir James invention.  Dyson copied a little known patent/inventor from 1922.  At least to Rexair's credit, it perfected bagless technology for household applications 80 years ago.  All here would agree, except perhaps you and Sir James [after 5174 prototypes], that anyone with a little time, money and inclination can parlay the advances in the vacuum industry over 70 years with Newcombe's 1922 patent to produce a bagless vacuum that works better than Newcombe's 1922 version.  To Sir James Dyson's credit, he built himself a fortune by doing so and a new [really 70 years old] bagless vacuum industry got a renewed and profitable lease on life.

Carmine D.

Dib-ster:

The point is that Sir James Dyson, your idol, publicly and professionally takes all credit for bagless vacuums now.  You give dyson here this credit when you impugn copy cat brands and models for imitating dyson bagless.  But it's not Sir James invention.  Dyson copied a little known patent/inventor from 1922.  At least to Rexair's credit, it perfected bagless technology for household applications 80 years ago.  All here would agree, except perhaps you and Sir James [after 5174 prototypes], that anyone with a little time, money and inclination can parlay the advances in the vacuum industry over 70 years with Newcombe's 1922 patent to produce a bagless vacuum that works better than Newcombe's 1922 version.  To Sir James Dyson's credit, he built himself a fortune by doing so and a new [really 70 years old] bagless vacuum industry got a renewed and profitable lease on life.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

“Publicly and professionally” ...hey that rhymes.  Good for you.


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HAPPY NEW YEAR to you also.  Yep, I bought a Kirby.  Sold it about a month back so I guess you could say I did not think it was worth what I paid.

Based on your posts here you sold all the vacuums you ever bought including a dyson DC07 except a Rainbow which you still have.  By your selling actions and posts are you saying that all the vauums you ever owned and subsequently sold were not worth the prices you paid except for the Rainbow?

Carmine D.

Dib-ster:

PROCARE's post about Newcombe's 1922 bagless vacuum invention/patent rings true.  Sir James Dyson, an inventor extraordinaire according to you, copied a 1922 bagless vacuum patent/invention. 

Then, Sir James in his marketing pitch supposedly tests 5174 bagless prototypes, never once crediting Newcombe's patent, before finally perfecting the bagless upright.  Sir James Dyson takes all the credit.  Even claims all the knock offs are stealing from him.   Slick marketing reinventing and/or reinnovating truth.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

The interesting thing about Rainbow owners is that they tend to be extremely loyal.   I'm always amazed when I read the overwhelming number of positive reviews by Rainbow owners.   Sure there are those who hate them, but most like the water filtration idea.    I heard an administrative assistant say that she bought one when she was first married - and paid nearly $3000 with interest payments.  It broke down after 7 or so years.   Yet, she still would like another one.  Even though it's a bit of a pain in the butt to use, she felt like she was missing something without it.   I was shocked that with her limited resources, she and her husband would even consider buying a Rainbow.  For whatever reason, there seems to be an emotional attachment to these vacuums. 

Carmine,

You’re an idiot, but you’re our idiot.  :)

The Newcombe patent is a salad spinner (for fine dust), and not a ‘cyclonic separator.’


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P.S.  I only spoon fed you (the group) the Newcombe patent because I was bored.  And you did not fail me...  you provided a good laugh. 

Dib-ster:

PROCARE's post about Newcombe's 1922 bagless vacuum invention/patent rings true.  Sir James Dyson, an inventor extraordinaire according to you, copied a 1922 bagless vacuum patent/invention. 

Then, Sir James in his marketing pitch supposedly tests 5174 bagless prototypes, never once crediting Newcombe's patent, before finally perfecting the bagless upright.  Sir James Dyson takes all the credit.  Even claims all the knock offs are stealing from him.   Slick marketing reinventing and/or reinnovating truth.

Carmine D.

DIB,

  Centrifugal force and Cylonic actions work together to seperate dust and dirt. All vacuums use cyclonic action and centrifugal force. The Newcombe and Rexair it's predecessor use that seperator to to get cleaner air  thru it's motor. The main thing that hurt  Rexair before it started using water in the cleaner was the real fine dust like soot would go right back into the air ala Three Stooges and other comedians used in the mid 30's on. I am no Idiot like you that like to call people names. I have been nice to you and you think you are the only one here that knows anything.

                                                                     When I brought out Newcombe it was part of Rainbow (Rexair) history. Your thoughts about it being a salad  spinner is proving you to be the Idiot not Carmine or anyone else on this thread. No one cut down Dyson as an Innovator but showed that there was someone there before him. Root was the inventor on the cyclonic end and Dyson put it to use in vacuum cleaners. An innovation not invention.

"Then I saw on top of a lumberyard this giant cyclone, and that gave me the idea to develop the cyclones—one of only a few filtration devices that don't have cloggable membranes. Even electrostatic filters can theoretically clog, but they don't even work in this application yet. The cyclone was on top of a factory, 30 ft. high, collecting sawdust all day long and losing suction."

James Dyson from Popular Mechanics interview:  http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/home_journal_news/4236719.html

Based on his comments, Rainbow actually did everything James wanted in a vacuum.  If James had had a Rainbow, he might have never bothered to go into the vacuum business.