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DysonInventsBig

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Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Original Message Jun 1, 2009 1:12 pm

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retardturtle1

Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Just to be clear
Reply #54 Nov 13, 2009 12:28 am

Trebor wrote:

Carmine,

I respect your 50 plus years in the vacuum industry, and the decades you supported a family and supplied gainful employment for others so they could likewise support their families, but I do not worship you, sorry. Admired aquaintance and fellow vac enthusiast you are, hero, no, but then I don't think you are the sort of man who requires or desires hero worship anyway, (OK with your grandkids, I'll cut you a little slack )

DIB,

Like some others on this and other forums you seem to have a knack for stirring hostility against yourself. Carmine, Venson, Severus, mole, turtle, and others are able to dialog, share differing opinions and support them with facts, or at least unapologetically acknowledge them as personal preferences or prejudices without all this truculent diatribe. You allude to knowledge and connections in the vacuum industry, and to be fair you seem to be on top of the current patent issues, but it's all rather vague and insubstantial. I grow weary of the boorishness of your exchanges. You might actually be a decent person. Why not give yourself a chance, and us a chance to take things to a higher level. Leave the verbal brawling where it belongs, on the grammar school playground.

I looked at the Consumer Oct 2009 reports and they rated Kirby and Dyson as the two most reliable uprights. OK, I can buy that. But I have a little trouble believing Simplicty/Riccar and Miele are among the lowest in relaiability. Now, true, the lowest still means only about 14% needed repair, but can anyone explain precisely how the figures are derived? Does the response require a model and serial number? Are people accidentally, or puposefully mis-reporting the ages of their vacuums? My experience was always that people vastly underestimated the age of their vacuums,and vastly overstated the cost of any repairs because for most people a vacuum cleaner is a grudge expense. People resent the money they spend on their vacuums. So how does the collection of reliability data work and how accurate is it? I am not interested in any bashing of C/R or similar agencies. I really want to understand how the data is gathered and reported, and of what value it is in making a vacuum purchase.

By the way, has anyone seen the Karcher household canisters? I saw them online, but not in the USA, at least yet. I also saw two models of the SEBO Felix in yellow, can't remember if they were Tornado or Karcher. Was Karcher with Tornado at one time? Or are/were they simply buying the same/similar machines and having them labeled?

Trebor

HI TREBOR

Never seen Karcher anywhere or in any shops around here........one shop 30min north of me carries commercial eqip. Tornado mainly.....thought they were somehow in with Tacony.....not sure ....but rare is it that we get a sebo, tornado,miele,riccar in for repairs......annual services in most cases. I agree on the data part.....dont see how it can be all that accurate........but its somewhat of a starting point ...i guess....gotta start somewhere,...to me a vac forum is a great place to start.....and gather info...knowledge is power....ive grown somewhat leary of c/r over the last year.....just the way i feel i guess.......but i have heard that karcher was top notch....some of the local detail shops use them......thats all i know of them.....so far.

turtle1

dusty

Joined: Feb 8, 2008
Points: 264

Re: Just to be clear
Reply #55 Nov 13, 2009 12:46 am

Trebor wrote:

Karcher and Tornado share many machines in common...can't say I've ever seen a felix with either label though. I have seen the Felix under the Windsor label, who also share many machines with Sebo, Karcher and Tornado.

Dusty

http://www.windsorind.com/ViewCategories.aspx?Pid=145

Scott

Location: Canada
Joined: Aug 23, 2009
Points: 6

Re: Samsung's- Dirt Devil Eraser / Halo inspired UV patent.
Reply #56 Nov 13, 2009 1:26 am

Tornado and Karcher were partners in the North American market until Tornado was sold to Tacony in February 2007. Some machines are still made for Tornado by Karcher, but only a handful compared to what it once was.

In April 2007, Karcher then purchased Castle Rock Industries, including its Windsor brand.

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CarmineD

Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Just to be clear
Reply #57 Nov 13, 2009 7:06 am

Trebor wrote:

Carmine,

Trebor

Hello Trebor:

Thank you for your kind words.

My dear Wife is quick to remind me that even the star struck look in my granddaughters' eyes will fade with time and I should enjoy it while it lasts. Which I intend to do by taking everyone to Disneyland next week for the week.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1

Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Just to be clear
Reply #58 Nov 13, 2009 11:06 am

CarmineD wrote:

Hello Trebor:

Thank you for your kind words.

Carmine D.

HI CARMINE

May you and you family have a wonderful vacation/trip......i so love d-land and d- world........the west coast is beautiful this time of year......have a safe and wonderful time my friend.

turtle1

CarmineD

Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Just to be clear
Reply #59 Nov 13, 2009 12:57 pm

retardturtle1 wrote:

HI CARMINE

May you and you family have a wonderful vacation/trip......i so love d-land and d- world........the west coast is beautiful this time of year......have a safe and wonderful time my friend.

turtle1

Thank you, turtle1. Walt and all his disney characters are favorites of mine too.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL

Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Just to be clear
Reply #60 Nov 13, 2009 7:31 pm

CarmineD wrote:

Thank you, turtle1. Walt and all his disney characters are favorites of mine too.

Carmine D

Walt was nice to name a character after you. GOOFY

HAVE A WONDERFUL OUTING WITH THE FAMILY.

vacmanuk