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Venson
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Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . .
Original Message Oct 21, 2009 6:59 pm |
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . .
Reply #26 Nov 4, 2009 6:35 am |
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DIB, you are posturing like your long dead hero, Senator McCarthy, again. If Dysons are all you and Sir James claim they are, why are there not Dyson owners of longer than 5 years proclaiming its longevity,durabilty, and low cost of ownership? Why is Dyson unable to supply sufficient repair parts, forcing vac shops and Dyson dealers to buy non-original after market parts? Why are there so many used Dysons for sale that were Kirby trade-ins? (I see them come in every week at my friend's shop) Technology advances. The cyclonic no clog technology has been rendered obsolete by the new disposable bag material offering superior filtration while maintaining very high efficiency. A Miele can suck up the contents of a Dyson container full of kapok and be less than 1/4 full because the Dyson fluffs the dirt and the Miele compacts it. Dyson is a three trick pony, cyclonic dirt collection, the ball, and the clutch. The first is moot, the third is abandoned by Dyson itself, and the ball still cannot get under furniture well, and it has $#%*bersome, poorly designed above the floor tools. The 5 year warranty excludes the hose, DIB, and it is not inexpensive to replace. The manual does not inform the customer that they should not yank the hose to pull the unit. It is tiresome to switch back and forth from tool use to floor use repeatedly since the handle is also the wand. What Dyson users end up doing is using the hose first for all above the floor cleaning, and then finishing up with the upright on the floor, precisely the way Kirby users clean, ironically enough one of the points that sways people to trade in their Dysons on a new Kirby. The Kirby hose is much sturdier, and it does not split so easily. The Kirby doesn't get under low furniture either, but it offers far more durability and lower operating cost over its lifespan. Mom is using Grans' 1948 Kirby, her own first Kirby,1956, and the one I bought for her in 1976. With a dirt meter I can find little dirt anywhere in my parents' home. Show all of us here on the forum ONE Dyson in heavy use after 10 years. We are all waiting. Without any name calling, diatribe, or defensive posturing, stick to the facts and logically explain why Dyson's 'originality' really is progress to be preferred over every other choice available. We're waiting, DIB. Trebor
Hello Trebor:
Just a warning my friend. Since it's obvious that you and I both remember well the great Senator from the state of Wisconsin that heralded the big Red menance in the US, falsely on most occasions, we may be deemed by the psychotic poster dyson DiB the same poster. Ohhh! No!  Carmine D.
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Trebor
Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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Re: Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . .
Reply #27 Nov 4, 2009 10:29 am |
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Hello Everyone,
I spoke with a long-time acquaintance in the vac biz yesterday, none other than Tom G. He told me that Dyson USA is still selling 8,000 vacuum cleaners in the USA!
Since Tom is now employed by Tacony, and is no longer a vac shop owner, I have no reason to doubt his word. He is curator of a vacuum museum consisting of primarily his own vacuums, which he leases to Tacony. He gets to shop the 'net for antique vacs, (talk about your dream job!)
But I digress. According to Tom 85% of all vacuums sold are still bagless! People like seeing the dirt, and they hate having to remember to buy bags. People who buy a Dyson tell people, who buy one, and so on. People who buy any other brand don't tell nearly as many. ( I have to think if someone shelled out for a Kirby they would mention it to a few people.) I asked Tom about the longevity of the Dysons as in 'how many are still running after 10 years?' He replied, "Most of them." Of course 'most' could be 51%. Since Tom G. is no longer a Dyson dealer, and he works for one of the primary contenders in the marketplace, has access and time to research as well as being privy to inside info, I have no reason to doubt his word.
It's just that I continue to see so many Dysons come into my friend's shop for repair. Many people spend in excess of 100.00 to fix a vacuum less then 5 years old because the repair is not covered by warranty. Huh? Many say they will not buy another Dyson, but the repair is the same as a Big Box vac, and they do like the performance, and they don't want to shop for another vacuum, so they fork out $$$ for the repair. People do abuse their vacuums, and I would say the Dyson is more vulnerable to damage from abuse than many. Seeing the dirt seems to be a big deal. Maybe people vacuum more, and slower when they see the dirt swirling around. But if Dyson really is selling 8,000 cleaners a day, if they are in financial distress it has to be due to poor management, not an uncommon phenonemon
Carmine, I laughed so hard at the idea of you and I being the same poster I nearly fell off my chair! We are what, 15 years, 1500 plus miles, and a wife and child apart? But why stop at one? You, me, Severus/Venson, could all be the same person! I could just be a figment of your imagination! Or whoever is the real person's imagination. Not all multiple personalities are aware of each other, so (gasp) I could be DIB's alter ego and not even know it! This whole line of thought is moving me into the existential vacuum, and I'm unsure if it's bagless or not.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . .
Reply #28 Nov 4, 2009 3:58 pm |
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Hello Everyone,
I spoke with a long-time acquaintance in the vac biz yesterday, none other than Tom G. He told me that Dyson USA is still selling 8,000 vacuum cleaners in the USA!
Since Tom is now employed by Tacony, and is no longer a vac shop owner, I have no reason to doubt his word. He is curator of a vacuum museum consisting of primarily his own vacuums, which he leases to Tacony. He gets to shop the 'net for antique vacs, (talk about your dream job!)
But I digress. According to Tom 85% of all vacuums sold are still bagless! People like seeing the dirt, and they hate having to remember to buy bags. People who buy a Dyson tell people, who buy one, and so on. People who buy any other brand don't tell nearly as many. ( I have to think if someone shelled out for a Kirby they would mention it to a few people.) I asked Tom about the longevity of the Dysons as in 'how many are still running after 10 years?' He replied, "Most of them." Of course 'most' could be 51%. Since Tom G. is no longer a Dyson dealer, and he works for one of the primary contenders in the marketplace, has access and time to research as well as being privy to inside info, I have no reason to doubt his word.
It's just that I continue to see so many Dysons come into my friend's shop for repair. Many people spend in excess of 100.00 to fix a vacuum less then 5 years old because the repair is not covered by warranty. Huh? Many say they will not buy another Dyson, but the repair is the same as a Big Box vac, and they do like the performance, and they don't want to shop for another vacuum, so they fork out $$$ for the repair. People do abuse their vacuums, and I would say the Dyson is more vulnerable to damage from abuse than many. Seeing the dirt seems to be a big deal. Maybe people vacuum more, and slower when they see the dirt swirling around. But if Dyson really is selling 8,000 cleaners a day, if they are in financial distress it has to be due to poor management, not an uncommon phenonemon
Carmine, I laughed so hard at the idea of you and I being the same poster I nearly fell off my chair! We are what, 15 years, 1500 plus miles, and a wife and child apart? But why stop at one? You, me, Severus/Venson, could all be the same person! I could just be a figment of your imagination! Or whoever is the real person's imagination. Not all multiple personalities are aware of each other, so (gasp) I could be DIB's alter ego and not even know it! This whole line of thought is moving me into the existential vacuum, and I'm unsure if it's bagless or not.
Trebor Trebor, Only 51%?. Applying your style and salesmanship... If you were to share a Popsicle with a child and promise them... "They can have most of it" - the child would walk away with a whopping 51%. You could have picked any number ranging from 51% to 99%, but for Dyson-bashing purposes you went with the least amount possible and the least likely to be true. - What-a-guy! Anyone you know? > http://www.clintonherald.com/local/local_story_289105209.htmlDIB
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dusty
Joined: Feb 8, 2008
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Re: Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . .
Reply #31 Nov 4, 2009 6:58 pm |
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It's just that I continue to see so many Dysons come into my friend's shop for repair. Many people spend in excess of 100.00 to fix a vacuum less then 5 years old because the repair is not covered by warranty. Huh? Many say they will not buy another Dyson, but the repair is the same as a Big Box vac, and they do like the performance, and they don't want to shop for another vacuum, so they fork out $$$ for the repair. People do abuse their vacuums, and I would say the Dyson is more vulnerable to damage from abuse than many. Seeing the dirt seems to be a big deal. Maybe people vacuum more, and slower when they see the dirt swirling around. But if Dyson really is selling 8,000 cleaners a day, if they are in financial distress it has to be due to poor management, not an uncommon phenonemon
Hi Trebor, Hoover uprights and Electrolux canisters are our biggest source of repairs. I would offer that it's not because they are poor product but simply because there are so many of them out there. If Dyson is selling 8000 vacs in the US in depressed times I can only imagine how many have been sold in years previous and would expect to see a fair amount in for repair. As Dyson has only been in Canada for 3 years (and at last report still had the largest sales by dollar volume) we have yet to see many with problems. From our own experience, we've sold 112 units since January 1st of this year and have had 4 warranty claims. 2 DC24's with bad motors, a DC23 with a short in the power hose and a DC23 used to clean up a construction site (so it doesn't really count) All in all, it's not much different than our Sebo, Eurekalux, or Riccar lines. Like anything else on the market (except maybe Europro products IMO) as long as you take care of your equipment you're likely to have if for a long trouble free life. Dusty PS Customers love to see dirt swirl...makes them feel like the housework is worth it.
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Trebor
Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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Re: Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . .
Reply #32 Nov 4, 2009 9:39 pm |
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DIB,
10,000 comics on the streets and you think you're funny? Don't quit your day job.
Because I said it "could" be 51% I am Dyson bashing? Everyone who doesn't think James Dyson is worthy of sainthood, and that using a Dyson is an act of worship is Dyson bashing to you. You didn't jump on my reporting Dyson sales in the US by an industry insider, did you? Did it never occur to you that many of the people purchasing Dysons have never spent more than 100.00 on a vacuum in their lives, let alone properly maintain them. I see you did not respond to my challenge to logically explain why Dysons are to be the preferred brand purchase of a vacuum cleaner. You insult anyone who doesn't agree with you, and not very well, either, no originality.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . .
Reply #33 Nov 5, 2009 1:38 am |
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DIB,
10,000 comics on the streets and you think you're funny? Don't quit your day job.
Because I said it "could" be 51% I am Dyson bashing? Everyone who doesn't think James Dyson is worthy of sainthood, and that using a Dyson is an act of worship is Dyson bashing to you. You didn't jump on my reporting Dyson sales in the US by an industry insider, did you? Did it never occur to you that many of the people purchasing Dysons have never spent more than 100.00 on a vacuum in their lives, let alone properly maintain them. I see you did not respond to my challenge to logically explain why Dysons are to be the preferred brand purchase of a vacuum cleaner. You insult anyone who doesn't agree with you, and not very well, either, no originality.
Trebor, the 8000 units per day isn't complete without knowing how many are returned, and how many sales are refurbs. There's an awful lot of refurbs for sale in a lot of venues.
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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Trebor
Joined: Jan 16, 2009
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Re: Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . .
Reply #34 Nov 5, 2009 10:03 am |
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Trebor,
the 8000 units per day isn't complete without knowing how many are returned, and how many sales are refurbs. There's an awful lot of refurbs for sale in a lot of venues. True enough, Severus, but let's assume a 50% return rate, and 50% refurb. That is still new 2,000 vacuums per day, net, 365,000 per year. Not numbers to sneeze at. Not when you are talking about an average purchase price of $400.00 plus When I worked at an appliance retailer that sold Dysons, the retailer had an agreement with Dyson to honor an over the counter exchange for the life of the 5 year warranty. Talk about abused vacuums! People would roll them in cracked, stuffed, and ripped to shreds. All we could do was take them back and issue a new one. I don't know if the agreement is still the same, as I am no longer there, but it was Dyson's nickel, not the store's so we couldn't do anything, because the customer would just scream, and the manager would cave. Not every Dyson came in looking like that, to be sure, and sometimes I think people just wanted a different color. I actually sold a number of the motorhead canisters, because I felt they were better than the uprights.
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Motorhead
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Re: Jimmy Dyson does try hard . . . (older Dysons still working)
Reply #35 Nov 5, 2009 1:27 pm |
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Hello Everyone,
I spoke with a long-time acquaintance in the vac biz yesterday, none other than Tom G. He told me that Dyson USA is still selling 8,000 vacuum cleaners in the USA!
Since Tom is now employed by Tacony, and is no longer a vac shop owner, I have no reason to doubt his word. He is curator of a vacuum museum consisting of primarily his own vacuums, which he leases to Tacony. He gets to shop the 'net for antique vacs, (talk about your dream job!)
But I digress. According to Tom 85% of all vacuums sold are still bagless! People like seeing the dirt, and they hate having to remember to buy bags. People who buy a Dyson tell people, who buy one, and so on. People who buy any other brand don't tell nearly as many. ( I have to think if someone shelled out for a Kirby they would mention it to a few people.) I asked Tom about the longevity of the Dysons as in 'how many are still running after 10 years?' He replied, "Most of them." Of course 'most' could be 51%. Since Tom G. is no longer a Dyson dealer, and he works for one of the primary contenders in the marketplace, has access and time to research as well as being privy to inside info, I have no reason to doubt his word.
It's just that I continue to see so many Dysons come into my friend's shop for repair. Many people spend in excess of 100.00 to fix a vacuum less then 5 years old because the repair is not covered by warranty. Huh? Many say they will not buy another Dyson, but the repair is the same as a Big Box vac, and they do like the performance, and they don't want to shop for another vacuum, so they fork out $$$ for the repair. People do abuse their vacuums, and I would say the Dyson is more vulnerable to damage from abuse than many. Seeing the dirt seems to be a big deal. Maybe people vacuum more, and slower when they see the dirt swirling around. But if Dyson really is selling 8,000 cleaners a day, if they are in financial distress it has to be due to poor management, not an uncommon phenonemon
Carmine, I laughed so hard at the idea of you and I being the same poster I nearly fell off my chair! We are what, 15 years, 1500 plus miles, and a wife and child apart? But why stop at one? You, me, Severus/Venson, could all be the same person! I could just be a figment of your imagination! Or whoever is the real person's imagination. Not all multiple personalities are aware of each other, so (gasp) I could be DIB's alter ego and not even know it! This whole line of thought is moving me into the existential vacuum, and I'm unsure if it's bagless or not.
Trebor The facts don't lie, even CR ranks Dyson as one of their more reliable brands. For every Dyson that has had problems of some sort there are at least 10 still going strong and serving their owners faithfully. Speaking of Tom G., it is worth noting that he owns a prototype US DC07 from 1999, 2 years before Dyson "officially" arrived here. In the 10 years he has had it, it has not had a single repair, and for 9 of those years it served as the store vacuum for his old store. To say that it has received heavy, daily use there is an understatement. I also saw the machine over at the Museum in September, and when I spoke to Tom last week, he said he was still using it regularly there as well to clean the acres of carpeting in each historical section. That says a lot about performance and longevity...plenty of brand new, perfectly good Riccars and Simplicitys around and the trusty Dyson wins out every time for routine cleaning! For another example of Dyson longevity, look to the another cleaner at the museum, the 1983 Cyclon. Not only is it still perfectly functional, it does a surprisingly good job. Same can be said with the many British Dysons from the 1990's (DC02, DC03, DC05, et al.), nothing wrong with them at all. And while not necessarily Dyson per se (but very much Dyson designed and related), look at all of the 10+ year-old Fantoms that are still in use all over the States. Obviously, when any appliance is abused, it is not going to last as long, and even a well-engineered cleaner like the Dyson is no exception. Going back under the rock now and watching- MH
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