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Acerone
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The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Original Message Mar 13, 2009 5:05 pm |
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CarmineD
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #96 Oct 11, 2009 7:02 am |
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For an inventors kid, you sure fail to see the upside to patentable and problem solving inventions.
DIB
However, unless you are still living in the glory days of dyson's past, as I allege, you would admit that Procare has it all exactly right. A DC26 has 165 AW. A standard in suction power achieved in the vacuum industry in 1980's, almost 3 decades ago [one whole generation]. Where's the innovation in that? Other than the high price and baby size. On the latter, Venson cogently explains that others have come before.
Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #97 Oct 11, 2009 7:24 am |
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DIB, You should know by now that it is not about vacuum sales. It is about profits in parts accessories and REPAIRS, hence the dislike for Dyson. Carmine supported repairs and parts for 3 major cities. Never sold a Dyson or Dyson part. Yet he tells us how poor the quality is with Dyson. Truth is the other brands require as many or more repairs, belts bags, etc than Dyson. Otherwise those like Carmine could not have survived and the others would not have such a dislike for Dyson. Did I forget to mention that Dyson has bitten one when he down played their possibility of being a threat to another brand?
It is a well known industry fact that bagged vacuums, from the cheapest $40 Dirt Devil to the most expensive import, are and always will be more resilient to user abuse and misuse than a bagless dyson. Ask any of the indies, dyson authorized too, who repair. Look at yourself. You were so confident in your DC07, what did you do? You bought an extended service plan from BEST BUY along with your purchase. Then couldn't use it because you sold the DC07 a few years after purchase. Pay toilet dancing again.
HS you fail miserably to comprehend the reality of the consumer economy and spending on the the vacuum repair and parts business. Vacuum users have to agree to doing the repairs and buying new/used parts. In good times, vacuum customers forego vacuum parts and repairs and instead buy new every few years. Big box rip off stores see their profits skyrocket. In bad times, vacuum customers defer new vacuum purchases and instead repair their old vacuums. Indies can make a decent living. Too high prices, and/or shoddy workmanship, and the vacuum indies would lose the repairs, and parts business. That's a formula for going out of business real quick like in bad times like these. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #101 Oct 11, 2009 3:45 pm |
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Seeing Dyson machines on sale for up to $100 off a cleaner that people said didn't need a sale price -my my. This is in the Dyson web site. Remanufactured machines too. That is an awful small digital motor. Says the magnet is tens that of a refridgerator magnet. The refridgerator magnets I see are not that powerful anyway. Procare I saw a brand new DC27 still in carton with a bundled DC16 [handheld] included at a garage/yard sale yesterday in my community. After 8 hours, it wasn't sold.
Postscript: A former poster here and a BIG TIME self-avowed dyson card carrying advocate once boldly posted that he would die of a heart attack first before a dyson would ever be sold at a backyard junk sale. I posted in reply that I hoped his soul made it to heaven before the devil found out he was dead. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #102 Oct 11, 2009 5:16 pm |
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I saw a brand new DC27 still in carton with a bundled DC16 [handheld] included at a garage/yard sale yesterday in my community. After 8 hours, it wasn't sold. Postscript: A former poster here and a BIG TIME self-avowed dyson card carrying advocate once boldly posted that he would die of a heart attack first before a dyson would ever be sold at a backyard junk sale. I posted in reply that I hoped his soul made it to heaven before the devil found out he was dead. Carmine D. I bet your lack of *good judgment - the DC27 and/or the DC15 were stolen. DIB *You should of called the police and let them decide to act on it or not.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #103 Oct 11, 2009 5:59 pm |
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For an inventors kid, you sure fail to see the upside to patentable and problem solving inventions.
DIB However, unless you are still living in the glory days of dyson's past, as I allege, you would admit that Procare has it all exactly right. A DC26 has 165 AW. A standard in suction power achieved in the vacuum industry in 1980's, almost 3 decades ago [one whole generation]. Where's the innovation in that? Other than the high price and baby size. On the latter, Venson cogently explains that others have come before. Carmine D. I want to say thanks to you and the other Dyson DC26 rock-throwers… It forced me to take a closer look and see what some of the benefits are and what makes this vacuum untouchable. Bagged canisters clog and lose suction faster than uprights – fact. When a canister is shrunk in size, so is its bag or the surface area (its filtration). All mini sized bagged canisters are dogs… that is, they clog/begin to clog with suctioning up only a ¼ cup of fine dust. A homeowner needs or should often need to replace a mini-bag every room so to keep up with the no loss of suction DC26. The DC26 destroys any canister in this category – fact.DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: The all new Dyson DC26 "Japan"
Reply #104 Oct 11, 2009 6:14 pm |
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Neither do I believe that the brush with out proper suction is any better. Oreck produces a high RPM brush. However, it will not deep clean carpet. BTW, cleaning hourly or daily does not constitute deep cleaning. Only surface cleaning.
If the point you are trying to make is that ORECK does not deep clean if you use it daily, then I disagree. If the point you are trying to make is that ORECK doesn't deep clean with a brush roll that revolves at 6,500 revolutions per minute, then I also disagree. If the point that you are trying to make is that ORECK doesn't deep clean because it lacks the necessary suction power, then I also disagree. If the point you are trying to make is that for all 3 reasons, the ORECK does not deep clean, then I still disagree. Conversely, for all 3 reasons ORECK does deep clean and groom comparable to many full size vacuums on the market today, if not better.
Deep cleaning is a function of 3 vacuum features: Rug pile agitation, brush roll action, and suction power. I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the concept of direct suction path. ORECK puts 102 mile per hour hurricane force wind between the carpet and the vacuum. Where's it's needed the most. The combination of the rug pile agitation created by the brush roll revolving at 6,500 RPM and the gale force wind of 102 MPH wind with the suction power at the closest point of vacuum cleaner [2 inches in] provides deep cleaning and grooming by the ORECK that is comparable, if not better, to many full size uprights on the market today including a dyson. Carmine D.
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