Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson Japan

James Dyson is still trying to pitch "value" [not saying dyson products are, just saying his pitch is] while consumers, at least Americans, are looking for cheap.  It's not 2002 anymore when BEST BUY convinced James to launch the dyson lineup in the USA.  It's 2009, people can't spend what they don't have.  2010 and 2011 if the US gurus are right, aren't looking any better.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE

Nothing about dyson [pitch/products]  says value.....a cool looking little canister ,  it is.  Alot better/equal  at far less is availiable all over the market..

$300 for this is still way overpriced.....even to those who can afford. ..$100-120 max is about right for this one..and at that price range the compitition is dangerous and will domininate/outlast  dysons best....old/and new.....keeps his prices high to avoid direct comp.  just my view , but it is what it is.

turtle1 

mikegoodstadt wrote:
Mike,
I see you received a “meet & greet” by some of our nations biggest Dyson bad-mouther’s and rock-throwers.  These so-called vacuum experts have a long comical history here (and in their vacuum stores) of bad-mouthing Sir James, his people, his philanthropy and his products.

Your vacuum is a world’s first in many ways and nothing can touch it in terms of a) size/no loss of suction, b) no additional costs (no bags, no hastle), c) maneuverability and yes… d) suction strength.  Because all bagged vacuums loose around 40-50% of their suction strength (typically use - fine dust clogs bags), your vacuum maintains its air watts (no loss of suction strength).  Do the math… comparable sized bagged vacuums prove they underperform their advertised suction claims. 

Your vacuum’s nozzle out-turns all other power nozzles.  Dyson is calling the steerable power nozzle with its hemispherical wheels “V-Ball.”
Sir James is a smart guy…  Did you know the conservative party wants him to lead the UK (if voted in) in technological advancements or promoting/starting and selling UK technologies?  It’s big news in the UK but the so-called vacuum (UK) enthusiasts refuse to post it here.

I wondered if a pancake-like pre-filter and [this type] airflow routing would be the way to go to reduce a canisters size and now we know…  it is.

Since your vacuum is very convenient to store and use you may be using it more often and you will notice less dust in your home and in your carpets too.  If you push/pull the nozzle over carpeting slower (than typical) you’ll pull more out of your carpets and rugs.  Any vacuum larger/more powerful than this on hard surfaces is typically unnecessary.

Enjoy your vacuum…  a worlds first and another Dyson-only solution to an untapped market.  Certainly another money-maker for Sir James and another problem solver for its users and another vacuum for Dyson’s competitors to study and attempt to reverse engineer.


DIB

P.S.  While the self-acclaimed... the so-called experts here hammer Dyson’s price points they openly use and/or support their vac-dealer buddies who sell big margin $400-$1200 vacuums.  Comic relief…   it does not get any better than this!

DIB:

As usual you got it wrong.  We hammer dyson products, not James.  $600 plus for bagless plastic out sourced Malaysian made mediocre performing vacuums that require buku TLC is way over the top.  Hence the reason many many indies don't carry and sell the brand. 

Add to the above mix the worse global recession in 40 years, and the dyson product pricing strategy is a lose lose proposition.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
And Who  are we suppose to  listen to You'' Dubba, I know  you couldnt change a cord on vacuum let alone your 23lbs dyson ball that you found in the trash,go spout your party line in spain,

MOLE

DysonInventsBig wrote:
mole wrote:
The word is...  the uncomplicated, in the public domain/tired bagged imports will soon be sold by the pound, not unlike a piece of Cod.  My apologies to the Cod.


DIB

P.S.  You've never listed on this forum, the names of the high margin (for the vac shop owner) vacuum manufacturers you represent.  Would you list them now?

DIB:

New vacuum sales were never a money maker in my 42 years of owning and operating a vacuum cleaner sales and service business.  I sold new vacuums as an accomodation to my clientele.  For example, customers would come in and want a new vacuum purchase for a gift/occasion.  New in the box fit the bill.

The new makes/models I sold new were HOOVER, EUREKA, Westinghouse and Panasonic.  If you think these are and ever were high profit margin vacuums you validate what we already know here about you and your knowledge of the vacuum industry.  My business served the working people of 3 major cities and towns.  New import models were out of the question.  If customers wanted a new KIRBY, LUX, Rainbow, Air-Way, I put them in contact with one of the sales reps/branch managers for these brands.  I never asked what the prices were and/or a kick-back, despite many who offered me a kickback. 

My business was primarily in rebuilt vacuum, which I GUARANTEED for ONE YEAR just like a new vacuum at the time, parts and repairs of all makes and models of vacuums.  Not new vacuum sales.  Never.

Now that you know my background in the vacuum business, care to share with us what is your background in the vacuum business/industry?  I've asked you this before and you always are silent.  While we in the business, apst present, like MOLE, Procare, and others are forthright and honest.  Makes us think you are hiding something.  Are you hiding something?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Am I hiding something?  Absolutely!

I’m glad you found something you’re good at...  swapping out clogged vacuum bags for clean ones.  Riveting!

Good distracting story and con.  Mole has posted on this forum that he sells a vacuum that retails for $1200 (and you know it).  I say vacuums at these price points profit the vac dealer around $600-$800.  Dyson’s margins for dealers is only a small fraction of this.  These small Dyson margins and no additional [exclusive often only thru the dealer] bag and belt sales are the primary reasons dealers lie and bad mouth the competition - that is, the Dyson vacuum line.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

The only part of your post that is truthworthy and with which I agree is the highlighted part.  All the rest is smoke and mirrors to hide behind. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HI

CARMINE

You did things the right way...the only way.....thats why you and so many here are and were in the business for so long....plain and simple.

Fly by night groupies/collectors come and go...but its you guys that are a part of history.....present and future.....you guys set the standard for all to follow.

Riccar -panasonic -hoover -sanitaire comm -royal mtl comm-fuller......are what we sell  new. we double mfg warr at no charge.

Kirby-royal mtl comm-sanitaire comm- are what we sell used....all with 1 yr warr...if and when we get them.

If we dont have what the customer is looking for..and it happens....we can track down who does and send the customer there......and half the time they return to us .

We dont do the massive DYSON price shaft thing......dont need to.  We have a solid- honest reputation and stand by all we sell/service....and make the customer the most important priority......here in the bible belt  word of mouth will either make you or break you....and word spreads fast around here.

turtle1