Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

According to the experts who research and follow such matters, 80 percent of on-line buyers read on-line user reviews.  The Federal Trade Commission [FTC] will issue new guidelines for on-line posters/reviewers.  FTC warns that many of the user reviews are company employees and paid advertisers who post as personal users.  Always positive reviews, of course.  Surprise surprise!  Paid users and persons with a vested interest [read employees] will have to disclose their relationship with the company and its products.  Fines for infractions can be hefty.  As much as $300,000 and more for first time offenders.  Ouch! 

FTC advises that shoppers and buyers use more than on-line reviews to research the products [read industry experts]. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

I provided a very positive review about my XL Classic to ORECK.  It didn't use mine either.  So I posted it here on this site:

http://www.abbysguide.com/vacuum/reviews/305-0-1.html

Since this was imported from a previous site, the poster name is 'admin.'  But it's me.  If you read it, you see much of the same verbage I've posted here about my ORECK experience so even you and DIB can make the connection accurately and be correct. 

Did you actually post/message a negative review after using your ORECK free in your home and returning?  I looked here on this page and didn't find one by you.  In fact, I don't see any reviews by you even for your fave dyson bagless.  Why not post your ORECK review here instead of complaining that ORECK deletes all the negative ones. 

Carmine D.

Carmine and friends,

                                    I am a a salesman that over the years has had an opportunity to sell other brands that I have competed against. A State Sales Manager job for Rainbow income $150,000 a year , Selling for Kirby, TriStar, Eureka, Dirt Devil, Royal,and Dyson. No one could give me a product loyalty, Fewer services, customer satsfaction and overall good product that I sell. If money was all I was after Rainbow would have had me years ago.

            A 39 page canned speech to the consumer that was filled with half truths was not for me. I went for 90% sales made in the home. 99.97% of customers are satisfied. 98% of my customers are willing to buy non floor care products. Even in this weak economy sales are up.

                                                                        Procare

HARDSELL wrote:

ID say online reviews are very helpful....but this forum and the people in it are actually the real deal.  Hundredes of years of knowledge...just a question away.......will weed out the hype and send you in the right direction. Knowledge based beyond that of the average ....collector/groupie/manufacturer.....cant get any better than the people who work/worked on them...thousands and thousands of them..and love doing it ....no how no way youll ever get that at a bbx store or review site....

A review site used also with this forum.....and a good vac shop is a winner...youll come out ahead of the rest because youve bought the best from the best.

turtle1

Hello Procare:

In all the years I had my store [almost 43], I became friends and business associates with 2 sales people from your company.  If I mention their names, you would probably know at least one and probably both.  They were loyal to their brand and their customers.  And the vacuum industry.  Like you, they relished the challenge of matching their products to the competition.  They thrived on it.

I also knew many sales people from the other vacuum brands.  Most came and went quickly save one who rose to the mangement ranks at HOOVER.  For most, it was a job and a livelihood only.  Not a life long passion. 

I also knew sales people from other professions who I became friends with over the many years.  The great ones were the ones who liked people from all walks of life, and liked selling their products, and really enjoyed bringing both together at every and all opportunities.  It was never about the money.  It was about a way of living life.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hi 'turtle1'

I'd say like the 12volt bulb for HOOVER celebrities and other vacuum brands, you got it right again! 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I found the 12 volt info and gave you the info.  So much for the pro.

The online review is good if the people are honest. I also like to find out people's opinions and talk  to the consumer. When I go knocking on doors I hear the same line. They say"If you're selling Kirby keep on walking." They let me talk to them when I say I don't.   A lot of Kirbys are sold but the people tell they bought to get them out of the house after 4-5 hours in their house.  I can't say a reviewer should say 100% that there are no issues on their purchase as on any survey. You want the manufacturer to have a new plateau to reach. The key thing I see in door to door sales is the way sales people are taught to communicate. The guidelines given usually are changed by the salesmen when he is no longer being trained and feels he knows better how to sell than the company.  Training Discs and tapes don't tell you to push, push,push, but to answer the questions asked and answer them by showing what your equipment is capable of doing. That is the way to sell. Prove to the consumer it will fit their needs and if it doesn't thank them for their time and go on. Nothing on the market is 100% made for everybody and to do everything. That goes for anyone that is a Dyson fan that thinks it will do anything for everyone.

                                                                                                                                                 Procare

HARDSELL wrote:

On this one HS you're right.  When I saw the reference to the HOOVER concepts, it all clicked and came back to me.  My memory is not what it was.  I thanked you then for the bulb link you posted but you only get an honorable mention.  All the kudos go to 'turtle1' who made the point initially and posted the 12 v bulb applications in current brands and models.  

We learn valuable life lessons with age and experience.  One is that we are never too old to learn.  Another is that the smarter we become the more we realize that we don't know everything [and/or our memory forgets what we once knew].  This is true even for the pros, especially the retired pros.  It's nice to know that the new generation of vacuum industry experts, like 'turtle1', are ready, able, and willing to take over.

Carmine D.

procare wrote:

Hello Procare:

I blame dyson for this.  It demeaned and impugned bagged brands to make itself appear superior and thereby charge exorbitant prices for lackluster products.  The strategy back fired.  Bagged sales are overtaking bagless sales at all price points in the vacuum industry increasing year over year.  By dug its own grave.  It can't produce and market bagged brands to make up the sales shortfall.  Unless it tries to pull a Starbucks.  And dyson is no Starbucks.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE/PROCARE

You can only stick it to the people for so long.....eventually it comes back around. [CARMA] ....no matter what.  At one time dyson vacs were everywhere....now you hardly see  them at any of the stores around here....except BIG LOTS....who i believe has the largest display of unsold dysons around town.

I try to make it a point to ask the customer bringing in a vac /buying an item.....what they like/dislke about what they have......no matter what the brand...just to learn more and get numerous views and what they would change. A long term use point of view.  Many like what they have..and thats all that matters,,i just want to know why.

Ive heard good/bad stories of door to door sales.....it really takes a special kind of person for that job...very special.

Our new 1yr old Starbucks just shut down yesterday......gonna miss my large coffee w/ 2 espresso shots...sad day in hollywood.

turtle1