Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Since I have been coming to this site I have seen bickering about Dyson, Hoover and a few other brands. But to me it is why is this industry important and why all the different brands and models. My feeling is that they are necessary to maintain a way of life. Cleanliness, health, and just plain keeping everything nice. We started with dirt floors, went to rock and wood floors. Floors were kept up with brooms for hundreds of years. With the advent of electricity the vacuum cleaner came along  with elecrtic motors.

Just so you know , I am aware of the types of early sweepers from the late 1800's.

So the question I put to you is why is it so important to be a bagless society of Dyson? Why Bagged? Why a particular brand over another? Give me and anyone that comes to this site some answers as to why and how is one better than another?

I am watching and listening.                                                                  Procare           54 years in the business and still going strong.

          

After more than 25 years of James Dyson spouting his beliefs/selling his bagless products, the majority of vacuum consumers in the UK still prefer bags.  As they do around the world.  The product choices that a few make are never good for everybody.  There are facts and circumstances that make vacuum preferences an individual matter.

WRT Melanie, aka Catlady, she was outraged by the cost of MIELE paper bags on her new S7.  BUT she said here in no uncertain terms that she would never buy/use a bagless vacuum regardless.  Why?  She is an allergy and asthma sufferer.  While bags are expensive for her needs, she would suffer terribly with a bagless vacuum and more than likely would not be able to do the vacuuming. 

James Dyson forgot all the people like Melanie.  Dyson's arrogance has certainly cost the brand the majority of bagged vacuum users in the UK.  And likely elsewhere in the world.  

The vacuum industry provides users with options.  Let them decide what works best for their money and needs.  Not James Dyson, who is the least qualified in the industry to know and the most prejudiced too.

Carmine D.

If you do not like paying for bags just buy an Oreck.  They most likely would not pick up a bag full in a year.  Even if the bag was half the size that they are.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

I'm amazed at the huge size of ORECK bags and the amount they are filled when I replace.  It is generally agreed that 8 ORECK bags [@ about $12 per pack]  last a year.  For most users this is probably true.   Since you were a dirt bin dumper once, how many trips to the outside trash can with the dirt bin would that make in a year?  Add in the plastic bags to accumulate and contain the clear bin dirt, and how much does that add to the bagless bananza?

Carmine D.

Dysons dirt bin is just an illusion,Why, paper or filter bags compress and pack the dirt The dirt bin does not acomplish this thus making the debris in the container look like more than it really is. And by the way the center of the bag is still open to keep the suction consistant,,

The best for airflow is still a top load design.

How would the dyson work with a filter bag in it?. Heres a tip for you Sir Jimmy, it would centralize the suction better and compress the dirt and only would have to be changed every 4 to 6 weeks,under normal household conditions.Of course you would have to change the chacateristics of your cyclone design and feed it from the top down.

Of course then your vacuum will be just as good as a 39.95 dirt devil[bagged upright].

Of course you still have the wildest colors on the market, Did the contract with HASBRO expire yet.

REGARDS

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:
When you check yourself into "the program" for bad-mouthing vac-shop owners, you should seek help for your nose troubles too.  VacuumUK and I have rarely talked (if ever and if my memory is correct).  VacuumUK went after some of my statements and I fired back.  Venson and his caped crusader alter-ego (aka Severus) have had their chance (we've discussed before).


DIB

DIB:

When you spew untruths and lies here, and dyson spun fairy tales, my nose and mouth will respond to you and them.  Be assured of this regardless of whom/what are the recipient of your posts.  If you can't deal with the truth DIB, which apparently is the case and has been of late [amazing what no dyson bonuses for 2008 and 2009 will do to one's mental capacities], regardless of the source, then you are the one who is truly in need of rehab here.  Does your employer provide these types of assistance to its slaves, I mean employees?

Carmine D.

Carmine,

Dont you realize that your dealing with an intellectual juggernaut.

mole wrote:
I assume that when DIB speaks, he is spouting the official Dyson position.    Clearly DBI has insider information, even knowing the details of the red headed model and the photo shoot.  I assume that Dyson pays him to push the Dyson message on this forum, and when he's not doing that he's filling out positive Dyson product reviews on other web sites.  I suspect, he even fills out negative reviews on competitors products.   We also knows that he monitors the Home Shopping Network, utube and other web sites to spread the Dyson message.  When DIB's message is completely incoherent, it's because of the restrictions Dyson places on him.    DIB cannot answer our questions, because he doesn't always have Dyson's permission to speak, so he has to throw out a Dyson slogan - even if it makes no sense.  

One would think that a company with as many smart people as Dyson has would have found a better spokesperson, but maybe the marketing budget got cut back with the downturn in the economy. 

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

You support and play-along with the caped-crusader and Venson’s alter-ego by the name “Severus” (a Harry Potter character)... and you claim to be a man of truth and me living a fairy tale????

I’ll tell you a fairy tale...  bad-mouthing, envious vacuum dealers or dealer groupies who do not lie or have an original and substantial thought.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

I am a seeker of all vacuum truths.  I go to great lengths to seek, find and reveal.  This site and the posters who read/post here like Venson and SEVERUS [and a host of others] do a remarkable job with providing the vacuum truths and facts.

It's hard for persons like you, who don't know the vacuum industry, but dabble here as a hobby, to understand and comprehend us.  You take all dyson criticism personal as tho it is directed to you.  It's not.  It's about dyson's products and product claims.  The dyson products should be able to go toe to toe in the industry with all the competition up and down the price scale based on facts, results and performance.  If dyson comes up lacking especially with bagged competitors as lower costs, accept the constructive criticism and do soemthing positive to assist dyson in improving itself.  You appear to cast a blind eye and deaf ear to all vacuum truth by using smear campaigns against vacuum stores and name calling for posters here.  You insist on defending James, and his products and claims [lies] but you offer only more panned dyson slogans and marketing hype.  This sadly puts you at fault.  You are either shortsighted and/or just obtuse.  Quite possibly you are both.  The reasons for your behavior are on you not us.  

Carmine D.