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Acerone


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Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Original Message   Sep 11, 2009 6:17 pm
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vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #9   Sep 12, 2009 7:33 am
For the proportion of time given in the video Carmine, it was purely a short introduction. Yes whilst there was still dirt on the carpet it certainly came up with the pet hair turbo tool attached on the Animal model instead. I think most buyers would realise that anyway as getting up hair on a carpet without a roller brush can be time consuming. I don't think it was a full vacuum demonstration here and as the website does state a "quick trial."
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #10   Sep 12, 2009 8:06 am
Hi Vacmanuk:

I'm not convinced from the Which? quick trial video that a DC31 brush roll in 11 minutes [6 min if high speed is used] could do a decent job on the pet hair/debris on the test carpet shown.  Depends on the design and operation of the brush roll.  While Katie says the DC31 addresses concerns of users' comments about the short DC16 run time, her demo doesn't prove it does.  If I'm spending the price for a DC31 [$220-$270 w/o attachments], I want visual positive proof not just Katie's words [as appealing to the eye as she is and pleasant are her words].  If I have to pluck down the $ to buy/use a DC31 only to be disappointed [again, as with a $150-$200 DC16] it's going back to the retailer again [just like a DC16]. 

Carmine D. 

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CarmineD


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Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #11   Sep 12, 2009 8:21 am
Vacmanuk:

Put the Which? Katie Waller video in proper historic perspective. When James intro'ed his DC30/31 on Youtube he had plenty of time to prove all the DC16/handheld critics wrong with his new higher priced handheld product.  He didn't.  Why?  He concentrated on run time improvements and the new motor's clean exhaust w/o carbon brushes.  Not pick-up performance improvements.  Brush roll looks and sounds wonderful to buyers.  But it has to work well to be worthy of buying and keeping.  DC16 wasn't.  DC30/31?  Based on dyson's track record, I have lot's of doubts for the price.  Dyson and James [and Which?] haven't addressed the core question of critics about dyson's cordless brush roll handhelds.  Do they have the capabilities to do adequate clean up jobs for their expected uses for the high prices?  If so, as Venson asks, why does it come with a $2.00 litter picker?

Carmine D.

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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #12   Sep 12, 2009 12:07 pm
Carmine,

Bravo!!!!  You’ve done a magnificent job (your anti-Dyson posts above) attempting to yank VacuumUK and other outside readers around (consumers who find this site) with your anti-Dyson rhetoric.  Good job sounding unbiased and even “fair”, no one can twist like you.  Not a peep out of you on the B&D suction strength, clogging filter, lack of rotating brush.  Oh, please explain how the model in the picture or you or any poor sucker who takes your bait (oops, I mean review) cleans a lightweight paper hanging lamp without it pushing or rolling away.   The only way for you to clean this lamp is to hold the B&D in your teeth and use your free hand to steady the lamp.   50 years in the business and you miss the obvious or omit the obvious.

No one can sound as unbiased, professional and concerned as you all the while you unduly and unfairly and inaccurately judge Dyson.

Bravo!!!  El Magnificento Carmine!!! 


DIB


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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #13   Sep 12, 2009 4:25 pm
DIB:

Until you remove your head from James' butt, your view won't ever change.

Correction of the factual nature of your post:  I critiqued the Which? video and Katie Waller's demo as well as James' Youtube video with regard to the demonstrations of the DC30/31.  The essence of my criticism has nothing to do with the product per se.  I don't know how it will perform yet.  I know the DC16 is a loser.  Neither video properly addresses the concerns that buyers/users like me have with the DC16.  These DC16 shortcomings are inadequate cleaning capabilities [read power] and run times for most household, garage and car chores.  Especially for the most exorbitant handheld prices of any on the market that is until now.  As I said, I want a demo that provides positive proof that the latest and greatest [and most expensive] is indeed better than the DC16 loser.  The videos don't provide that proof.  The presence of a $2.00 litter picker adjacent to a revolving brush roll [which is Venson's point not mine] does not convince me.  In fact, it provides evidence to the contrary from James himself.  Are you with me yet?

On a positive note, the larger image of the lovely lady demonstrating the B&D Flexi that you posted is proof positive that for the price [$180, if she comes with the B&D Flexi, it is worth the money and I would buy.  Now, please explain to me what part of that comment, which I posted above, has anything whatsoever to do with being anti-dyson?  Or did you miss the point of that post as you do so many others here because your head is still stuck in a location where the sun never shines?

Carmine D.

CarmineD


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Points: 5894

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #14   Sep 12, 2009 4:32 pm
WRT your "soup" question about the moving lamp shade, perhaps it is connected to a stationary extension tube?  One that doesn't move.  Did that thought/possibility ever cross your mind? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #15   Sep 12, 2009 4:36 pm
BTW: 56 years in the business to be correct. 42 years a vacuum store owner and operator.  14 years as an industry consultant. 

But who's counting except you?

Now, how many years do you have in the vacuum business? Or any business at all.  Or do you slave [I mean work] for a boss/es?

Carmine D.

retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #16   Sep 12, 2009 6:29 pm
CarmineD wrote:
If the B&D Flexi comes with the lady using it for $180, it's definitely worth the price and I'd buy one.

Carmine D.


HI CARMINE

Heck id buy a dyson if she came with it....now that would justify the price.

Still early,  but kinda seems steep in price  for a B&D vacuum....no cord option either or  [lighter plug in ]...no charge complete light...i like the look of it and  seems more apt to do better in tight spots....but i kinda see it has having the same problems as the dyson....price -cord opt -run time......just my view,  but i see the no cord opt [home -auto ]as the biggest problem with the battery handvacs......adding this option would make these vacs more universal..and make the price more appealing in todays economy.

turtle1

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #17   Sep 12, 2009 6:47 pm
For the straight guys - Miss IFA w/Dyson DDM DC30...



DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #18   Sep 12, 2009 6:57 pm
CarmineD wrote:
WRT your "soup" question about the moving lamp shade, perhaps it is connected to a stationary extension tube?  One that doesn't move.  Did that thought/possibility ever cross your mind? 

Carmine D.


No, because the typical lamp style cord is clearly visible.  And no, because hard wiring would not typically allow a lamp to be pushed/tilted ever-so slightly and with little preasure (the lamp no longer rests at a right angle to the hanging cord).  And no, because hard wiring a paper or cloth lamp and the costs associated with this is overkill.


DIB
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