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Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Original Message   Sep 11, 2009 6:17 pm
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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #61   Sep 18, 2009 9:35 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
Lordy NO, I couldn't stand the noise and ended up giving it to the local high school who used it for a period in their wood work classes. It didn't last very long having to suck up fine wood dust I'm told!



Comes with a 2 year warranty.  After your gifting to the school, it let dyson off the hook to repair and/or replace under warranty.  Dyson got over on you/school.

Wood working class should be an ideal usage for cordless dyson handhelds if it didn't prematurely choke and die. 

I mentioned on another thread that dyson and Sam's have bundled a DC16 with a DC27 for $479.  Basically gifting the handheld with the a DC27 purchase.  Attempting to salvage sales of dyson's DC27 which are not being bought.  Not sure adding a free DC16 will make a difference.  I was surprised to see the dyson handheld untethered to the shelf next to a DC27 display.  At one time with pilferage of dysons a concern, these $150-$200 dyson toys would be locked down to prevent thiefs from walking off with them.  No more it seems.  

Carmine D.

This message was modified Sep 18, 2009 by CarmineD
retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #62   Sep 19, 2009 1:53 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello 'turtle1'

After 37 years of marriage, my dear Wife doesn't have to tell me when to take out trash.  By the way, you may want to take out that fake lady and dyson with the trash.  When you get to W*M take note of what handhelds it stocks and sells.  Let us know please if dyson is there for sale.  I'm thinking not. 

Carmine D.


HI CARMINE

Nope.....no dyson handvacs and no empty space where it could or would be.. i asked the lady working in the dept. about  the dyson and b&d handvacs

...she didnt know they made handvacs,,so i thanked her and moved on. ,,Sorry for the delayed response..we decided to get away for a week or so and head out to the coast for some r&r.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #63   Sep 19, 2009 7:23 am
Thanks 'turtle1'  Glad to hear you and your Wife got away for some R&R.

My dear Wife too is back east with her Mom.  I had to stay behind with the 4 legged furry friend. 

W*M and other big box rip off stores don't carry dyson's DC16 and probably won't carry DC30/31.  Perhaps internet sales?  Why?  Too expensive.  Not worth the money.  Too limited in customer interest and appeal.  Dyson messed up the marketing with this product.  Not surprising.  Tho the product really has limited use and lackluster performance.  Dyson has an uphill climb to convince buyers of a DC16 to trade up to a newer one at $220-$270.  The new one does what the old should have for the money and includes an carbon brush exhaust free motor.  It's a handheld.  How much carbon brush exhaust is emitted? Dyson has a knack for taking an irrelevant feature and talking it up with hype.  Allowed him to charge exorbitant prices for the worthless features.

I mentioned on another thread Sam's is gifting a DC 16 with purchase of a DC27 for $479.  Dyson bundles the two specifically for the Sam's promotion.  I'm not convinced gifting an overpriced toy dyson handheld with a $479 dyson sale with improve sales of this model at Sam's.  By Christmas season these dysons will be on discount/clearance for $100 off [at least] with the toy hand held included too. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #64   Sep 19, 2009 11:34 am

CarmineD wrote:
Hello Vacmanuk:  Did you keep/return the DC16?  Carmine D.

vacmanuk wrote:
Lordy NO, I couldn't stand the noise and ended up giving it to the local high school who used it for a period in their wood work classes. It didn't last very long having to suck up fine wood dust I'm told!

VacmanUK, just how would Dyson decrease the sound without decreasing suction and withoug increasing weight, size, and costs?

The sound is in relation to much air being moved (the vac's doing a great job moving air/suctioning and doing it better than all cordless handhelds in its class).  You’re preference for quieter cordless handhelds comes at a price…  weaker suction when new and weakening suction as it is being used (it's clogging).

Can you guarantee or state this DC16 was properly used and maintained (per the Dyson manual)?  How many of these students do you think read the manual or were told what the manual said?  Did you personally read the manual to the students or insist the shop teacher did?

Vacuuming and more importantly...  filtering the "fine wood dust" is a non-issue with this vacuum.  It will devour and gladly filter "fine wood dust," all day-every day and do it without loosing any suction strength (as long as it is used and maintained properly - per manual). 


DIB
This message was modified Sep 19, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #65   Sep 19, 2009 12:27 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Thanks 'turtle1'  Glad to hear you and your Wife got away for some R&R.

My dear Wife too is back east with her Mom.  I had to stay behind with the 4 legged furry friend. 

W*M and other big box rip off stores don't carry dyson's DC16 and probably won't carry DC30/31.  Perhaps internet sales?  Why?  Too expensive.  Not worth the money.  Too limited in customer interest and appeal.  Dyson messed up the marketing with this product.  Not surprising.  Tho the product really has limited use and lackluster performance.  Dyson has an uphill climb to convince buyers of a DC16 to trade up to a newer one at $220-$270.  The new one does what the old should have for the money and includes an carbon brush exhaust free motor.  It's a handheld.  How much carbon brush exhaust is emitted? Dyson has a knack for taking an irrelevant feature and talking it up with hype.  Allowed him to charge exorbitant prices for the worthless features.

I mentioned on another thread Sam's is gifting a DC 16 with purchase of a DC27 for $479.  Dyson bundles the two specifically for the Sam's promotion.  I'm not convinced gifting an overpriced toy dyson handheld with a $479 dyson sale with improve sales of this model at Sam's.  By Christmas season these dysons will be on discount/clearance for $100 off [at least] with the toy hand held included too. 

Carmine D.


Carmine,

I’m embarrassed for you… the entire world is in a recession and struggling.  Can’t you think of anything smart to say?  Bundling and lowering prices is worldwide.  Saying something smart would help your lack of credibility, especially after defending Venson’s dual persona deception (him pretending to be Severus).  Did you notice a sudden drop off of posts after this came out?  You and others need to decide…  defend Venson’s bizarre behavior or build/keep this forum going.   This forum could easily die-on-the-vine.  And if you don't believe me then watch, and watch it die.


DIB
This message was modified Sep 19, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #66   Sep 19, 2009 1:50 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,

I’m embarrassed for you… the entire world is in a recession and struggling.  Can’t you think of anything smart to say?  Bundling and lowering prices is worldwide.  Saying something smart would help your lack of credibility, especially after defending Venson’s dual persona deception (him pretending to be Severus).  Did you notice a sudden drop off of posts after this came out?  You and/others need to decide…  defend Venson’s bizarre behavior or build/keep this forum going.   This forum could easily die-on-the-vine.  And if you don't believe me, then watch and watch it die.


DIB



DIB:

I'm amazed.  I actually agree with something you say: The entire world is in a recession and struggling.  All the rest of what you posted is a waste of time reading.  Especially the part I highlighted.  You have no grasp of vacuums, the vacuum industry, floorcare products, and the people who buy and sell them but you are predicting the demise of this vacuum Forum.  Do you have a date for this sad event or just keeping your prediction open ended?

Carmine D. 

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #67   Sep 19, 2009 6:45 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
VacmanUK, just how would Dyson decrease the sound without decreasing suction and withoug increasing weight, size, and costs?<BR><BR>The sound is in relation to much air being moved (the vac's doing a great job moving air/suctioning and doing it better than all cordless handhelds in its class).  You’re preference for quieter cordless handhelds comes at a price…  weaker suction when new and weakening suction as it is being used (it's clogging).<BR><BR>Can you guarantee or state this DC16 was properly used and maintained (per the Dyson manual)?  How many of these students do you think read the manual or were told what the manual said?  Did you personally read the manual to the students or insist the shop teacher did?<BR><BR>Vacuuming and more importantly...  filtering the &quot;fine wood dust&quot; is a non-issue with this vacuum.  It will devour and gladly filter &quot;fine wood dust,&quot; all day-every day and do it without loosing any suction strength (as long as it is used and maintained properly - per manual).  <BR><BR><BR>DIB

Actually DIB Im sure Dyson could easily reduce the noise levels just by adding dampening. It wouldn't take that much money to do it, or at least provide a thicker casing so that it doesn't leak that much noise.

Why do you misread what I've said? Where do I suggest that the students or teacher have to read the manual? Is that going to improve the noise characteristics? It seems to me that with you in particular you can't have any one saying anything bad about Dyson vacums. They are not the most perfect vacuums in the world - you only have to look on EBAY UK to see so many reconditioned units at cheaper cost because people want rid of them. Just because you say "wood dust is a non-issue with this vacuum, it will devour and glady filter fine wood dust," doesn't mean it naturally happens with EVERY hand held produced.
Severus


If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #68   Sep 20, 2009 12:42 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,

I’m embarrassed for you… the entire world is in a recession and struggling.  Can’t you think of anything smart to say?  Bundling and lowering prices is worldwide.  Saying something smart would help your lack of credibility, especially after defending Venson’s dual persona deception (him pretending to be Severus).  Did you notice a sudden drop off of posts after this came out?  You and others need to decide…  defend Venson’s bizarre behavior or build/keep this forum going.   This forum could easily die-on-the-vine.  And if you don't believe me then watch, and watch it die.


DIB

DIB,

Please provide the proof that you promised about my being Venson - or was it your other personality that was going to provide proof?  I have to admit that I thought briefly about using the username "DysonStinks" as a response to your name.  But I really don't dislike Dyson.

I believe any drop off in posts corresponded to the start of football season, or perhaps the lack of a full moon.  Does Dyson ask you to track the number of posts on this forum each day?  

The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #69   Sep 20, 2009 8:29 am
By the way guys we already seem to have the instruction manual for the Dustbuster Flexi PD1200, the user manual can be downloaded here:

http://service.blackanddecker.co.uk/PDMSDocuments/EU/Docs//docpdf/pd1200%20pd1080_uk.pdf

Specs for this model (according to the website) are:

AIR WATTS 25WATT
CAPACITY 0.500Litres
CHARGE TIME 16HOURS
VOLTAGE 12VOLT

If this is true then sadly it won't be a direct rival for the Dyson DC16 which has a stronger battery for a start! However I'd still be interested in this product as it is a darn sight smaller and more compact.
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Move over DC31.. BLACK & DECKER Dustbuster Flexi
Reply #70   Sep 20, 2009 12:44 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
By the way guys we already seem to have the instruction manual for the Dustbuster Flexi PD1200, the user manual can be downloaded here:<BR><BR>http://service.blackanddecker.co.uk/PDMSDocuments/EU/Docs//docpdf/pd1200%20pd1080_uk.pdf<BR><BR>Specs for this model (according to the website) are:<BR><BR>AIR WATTS 25WATT<BR>CAPACITY 0.500Litres<BR>CHARGE TIME 16HOURS<BR>VOLTAGE 12VOLT<BR><BR>If this is true then sadly it won't be a direct rival for the Dyson DC16 which has a stronger battery for a start! However I'd still be interested in this product as it is a darn sight smaller and more compact.

The proof is the pudding . . . Despite Dyson's good performance in one test, the Popular Mechanics video I posted satisfied me by way of good performance and price B&D excelled. I would not spend the kind of money that Dyson is asking for a rechargeable hand-held vac.

The new B&D Flexi is even stronger than the Flex Vac model tested but it has yet to be shown how much power will or won't be lost in the translation due to the hose add-on. Even that considered, an $80 rechargeable vac is far more attractive to shoppers than machines running at 150 bucks and up.

Venson
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