Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Not sure if this was mentioned yet:

http://www.gizmag.com/miele-hybrid-vacuum-cleaner/12680/

Is there really a market for a plug/battery vacuum?

Not sure how I feel about it yet. I mean who hasn't cussed the vacuum when the plug fell out but worth additional cost....

20 minutes of vacuuming...

This is one from MIELE I would defintely purchase from an indy but not brand new.  I'll wait until a display/demo is available. 

Carmine D.

Lucky1 wrote:
Hi Lucky1,

Heck yeah! The DeWalt people have been selling a somewhat smaller spin on the idea, the 2 Gallon Cordless/Corded Wet/Dry Vac DC500, for a while now.

This new Miele has a 20-minute run time on battery. Even though the suction level produced would not be the same as when connected to an electrical outlet, in a single-vacuum household it could serve as a machine you could carry outside and clean out the car, or travel up on a ladder with or simplify small dust ups in areas where you might not have an electrical source available. It appears to be of proper size and weight tobe a handy all-around machine.

As shown however it is a straight suction vacuum and probably would be fine for households with low-pile carpeting and large bare floor areas. For the U.S. it would be more welcome with electric power nozzle. No more turbo-brushes please. Miele's pricing should merit the customer more.

It being that I'm up to my ears in Mieles, if this model makes the market here I will be passing. Reflecting on Miele's last correspondence that came my way, I think many others will be prepared to do the same. You know -- exchange rates being what they are and the price of Miele quality makes this brand sell high.

Besides which they will never fit this machine with a real PN but will try to sucker the customers in with the offering of a tubro-brush or the dumb rechargeable (and over priced) PN they tried to palm off with the now retired Galaxy series (see Miele website http://www.miele.com).

Best,

Venson

Hi Venson, Lucky1 et al:

Note MIELE's eye for detail.  Shows a young attractive women in her house robe in bare feet cleaning the bath room of all places.  The last and worse place for an electrical appliance like a vacuum to be used.  IMMER BESSER.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

I did notice. I would not have thought about the scene twice had the model been posed to clean the floor not the sink countertop where there might easily be exposure to moisture. That's a job for a wet cloth -- not a dusting brush.

More flights of fancy by people who spend more time at the drawing board than behind a vacuum cleaner.

Venson

Meant to say that the cleaner's usefulness would be better depicted if after an initial shot of it in normal use in the living room we saw our happy housewife on her outdoor patio giving the patio furniture a quick hit. Dad could be shown out on the driveway giving the family station wagon a going over or up on a ladder or utility stool doing a ceiling fan. The super-neat could even bear a shot of Pop giving Fido's house a sprucing up.

As it is a dry pick-up-only device you want to keep people focused on all the possibility in that area.

Venson

Hi Venson:

Have to say, while impratical, the MIELE ad gets consumer attention.  That's key.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Well then they should have shown her in the tub having a bubble bath after a long but eventful day's work with her Miele in the foreground of course. If that won't sell 'em, what will?

Best,

Venson

CarmineD wrote:
What are you trying to convey - "eye for detail"?

DIB

Venson wrote:

Vacuuming is still work.  But the key to advertisng is to make vacuuming look effortless.  Now if that were a MIELE robotic, I think you are on to something with your ad idea.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Another soup question?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Soup question?  Is it safe or not to use this vacuum in a bathroom?

DIB

Another soup question.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
I give up...Is It safe? I have the ability for rational thought and have my own conclusion....but What is your deduction?

Of course it's safe. As with battery-powered tools, drills, saws, etc., the battery option should alleviate any worries over needing to be grounded outdoors or in household situations where there's a high-moisture environment.

Venson

Venson wrote:
Hey! No fair helping the witness!

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Lucky1 wrote:
“Eye for detail” hardly conveys safety.  Carmine and others often criticize Dyson for not using K.I.S.S. and often nit-pick the Dyson posters comments here is his and other non-Dyson posters favorite[s] past time.  I thought it humorous to see the tired industry launch a novel or safe/er, Rube Goldberg-like vacuum and then Carmine’s observation and description does not state the obvious...  that is, the words “safe”, “safer”, “safely” are not mentioned.

Electrocution is not funny, although a nit-picking dealer who cannot succinctly promote stand-out features is. 


DIB  

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

When the most obvious has to be explained by answring questions, it loses it's effect.  But as a person who always asks soup questions, I would expect nothing more from you and you never disappoint me.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hey Carmine,

Your practice of making the simplicity of owning, operating and maintaining a Dyson overly-complicated and overly-expensive has spilled over into your other conversations.

When it comes to introducing or talking-up safety products (I believe this Miele solves problems few have), mentioning safety and/or that it’s exclusive only to Miele seems prudent.


DIB

DIB:

500 engineers made dysons complicated to use and maintain.  Not me.  MIELE is probably the simplist and easiest vacuum product on the market to brake down and repair.  IMMER BESSER.

Carmine D.

Back in the early 60's a prototype unit of the  Model G  Electrolux came out with a receving unit in place of a cordwinder and a small sending unit you plug into the wall . As long as you were in 50 ft of the plugged in sending unit the cleaner would run.It made for an impressive showing of the unit, problem was the cost to bring it out. As I was told it would retain full power because it was not battery powered. The unit was taken out in the field in various locations in the U.S. to see people's reaction. The price at the time of the cleaner was $149.95 with the sending and receiving unit an additional $1000 +.

                                                                                    Procare

procare wrote:
Hi procare,

It's a shame they didn't continue working on the idea. People are now looking to bring it back. The correct terminology escapes me just this minute but the possibility of wirelessly run appliances is being explored.

I don't know whether there are safety issues as some claim that there are health threats in exposure to magnetic fields, etc.

Best,

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Whats KISS mean?....i never thought about vacuuming the restroom...to each his own i guess.

turtle1

retardturtle1 wrote:
I vacuum my bathroom floor all the time before mopping or steam cleaning. I also use the vacuum to dust the top of light fixtures, the mirror, the woodwork on the window and door. Nonetheless, I do not vacuum the sink counter.

Please note that I also first check to be sure there is no moisture on the floor or under my old-fashioned footed tub before I begin. I am not worried over electrical shock as much as I am about messing up the vacuum.

Venson

Turtle,

 Keep It Simple Stupid is the most common meaning of K.I.S.S.

Venson wrote:
Hi procare

You just taught me something thanks

Do you remember the transmitter that music and sound tried to market for its central systems,it eliminated the low volt wire run along the tubing, I believe it mounted on the hose handle. It sounded like a good set up

but i never heard of any one using or even selling this device.Maybe they are tucked away somewhere in some warehouse,I think the biggest obstacle was that the signal would not go through concrete.

regards

MOLE

Actually in the late 1980's I recall Electrolux UK had a Contour upright that had a replacement battery pack on it and solely ran on cordless power. Needless to say it wasn't very powerful and it didn't sell well. I'm not to sure where Miele want to go with this. They've already cornered the market with longer extension adapters on their hoses, why both making a whole new vacuum? They should just invent a battery clad grate with wheels where a standard existing design can be taped on the underside and all the owner does it plug the main power socket of the vacuum into the grate underneath? Or how about a Miele backpack idea without a cord?

procare wrote:

procare

now i remember....thanks

turtle1

Venson wrote:

HI VENSON

My wife usually sweeps out onto hallway carpet..dusts all by hand then does deep cleaning....and mops by hand with bucket, same in kitchen..twice a wk ...kinda old fashioned  -very ocd-   but i figure why ask why......i just go with the flow...stay outta her way.. i cant think of any 30 yro that do it that way still......

turtle1

Battery powered vacuums is the next frontier for the vacuum industry.  I said this when Westinghouse intro'ed its cordless full size upright [actually with the WH brand name but sourced].  Same same.  As battery technology improves so will the cordless powered vacuum products.

Carmine D.

fyi

http://resources.bnet.com/topic/fuel+cell+and+hydrogen.html

MANHATTAN SCIENTIFICS TO DEVELOP FUEL CELL POWERED VACUUM CLEANER PROTOTYPE.

Manhattan Scientifics, Inc. MHTX of New York announced that it has entered into a joint agreement with Electrolux LLC and Lunar Design, Inc. to develop an evaluation prototype of a fuel cell powered vacuum cleaner for the home. Manhattan Scient Manhattan Scientifics,...

retardturtle1 wrote:
Hi turtle1,

No big deal. She probably finds, as a lot of people do, that it's faster for her especially if she doesn't have a lot area to cover. Lots of people get on quite well only using their vacuums for floors. Please note that I don't pull the vac out just to do the bath but if I am already cleaning to me it's just as simple to use my vacuum in place of the broom.

Also, I've hated teeshirts since I was a kid and in a household of one I never have enough old and used ones around to make for a steady supply of dust cloths.

Venson

Hello SEVERUS:

Thanks for the info and link.  Very interesting.  Nice to see Electrolux as a main partner/participant along with others to bring the prototype to market.  I'm convinced that the best and most useful technological developments and products are the result of joint efforts among different disciplines/fields/product makers in concert for a common good/goal. 

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

Old socks with the tube part cut off and put over your hand/lower arm work pretty well too.  With dusting/painting etc.  I am OCD.

Carmine D.

Electrolux has dabbled in cordless vacuums since the 1205.

They also had a hydrogen powered prototype in 2000.

Battery technology is still not there for full, long-running, fade free power