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procare
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What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Original Message Sep 4, 2009 1:20 pm |
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Since I have been coming to this site I have seen bickering about Dyson, Hoover and a few other brands. But to me it is why is this industry important and why all the different brands and models. My feeling is that they are necessary to maintain a way of life. Cleanliness, health, and just plain keeping everything nice. We started with dirt floors, went to rock and wood floors. Floors were kept up with brooms for hundreds of years. With the advent of electricity the vacuum cleaner came along with elecrtic motors. Just so you know , I am aware of the types of early sweepers from the late 1800's. So the question I put to you is why is it so important to be a bagless society of Dyson? Why Bagged? Why a particular brand over another? Give me and anyone that comes to this site some answers as to why and how is one better than another? I am watching and listening. Procare 54 years in the business and still going strong. |
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #20 Sep 5, 2009 12:15 pm |
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #21 Sep 5, 2009 1:47 pm |
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Why Dyson (society?) over bagged...<BR><BR>Dyson can guarantee No Loss of Suction (strength) for a period of time (1 month to many years). There is not a bag vac manufacturer or a bag manufacturer (including the mighty 3M) that can give this guarantee.<BR><BR>Dyson owners like the convenience and/or looking at how much they have collected in their clear bins vice a concealed bag.<BR><BR>Dyson owners enjoy not having to locate and the costs associated with collection bags and/or filters.<BR><BR>Dyson Ball owners like having more maneuverability-choices/flexibility when saddled with the chore of vacuuming.<BR><BR>Dyson owns broad patents on the Ball, and only Dyson has the legal right to manufacturer this type of steering (best in the world steering) vacuum cleaners.<BR><BR>Dyson owns broad patents on the Core + Root filtration and only Dyson has the legal right to manufacturer these type of separators (best in the world filtration w/DDM) vacuum cleaners.<BR><BR>Dyson DDM DC22 owners enjoy having what looks to be the strongest suctioning, smallest footprint canister in the world vacuum cleaner.<BR><BR>Dyson owners enjoy the connivence of quick bin dumping (although they have not figured out or been taught how to [mostly] eliminate the dust plume, a shame).<BR><BR><BR>DIB
MM some interesting statements there, DIB. Dyson can guarantee No Loss of Suction for a lifetime, dependent on the maintenance that the owner puts in for caring for their machine. This doesn't mean that after three years if the filters haven't been touched owners can moan about why their vacuum isn't picking up the way it should. People have become lazy which is why the bagless idea works well - no need to get out of your house and find bag replacements. Bags work differently because they all clog with dust but some are different from others because of their sealing textures (cue Miele and Sebo) so can last longer than standard 2 ply paper bags. And filters by Dyson have to be replaced eventually so there are not always 'lifetime guaranteed" again dependent largely on the matter of dust picked up per owner and their homes. This is why Dyson filters are washable but even the most washed filter can begin to lose its strength compared to one that hasn't been tainted. Not all Dyson owners like to see what they have collected. Would you like a see through toilet in your home? I know I wouldn't! How convenient is it really to see what you have picked up from your carpet? As for the patents, let Dyson have as many as they wish. The strongest suction is all very well on hard flooring but I wonder just how much pull a Dyson has in terms of destroying actual carpet textures coupled with an additional brush bar? Dyson owners may well enjoy the convience of quick bin dumping but most report (in reviews especially) that clouds of dust re-enter the homes or their lungs. How healthy is that? In this respect despite the older reliance, paper bags are better for keeping all that dust in.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #22 Sep 5, 2009 3:55 pm |
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Got to stay in shape for the ladies  At least you wont get tired chasing them around at the spa, B.T.W tried the angus burger at mickys last night,not bad for 4 bucks but should throw in fries and coke just to sweeten the deal.I still think wendys beats them for value. Did you run summer hours when you had your shop?. I am really thinking hard about bringing some one in to take over the helm. After 37 years of this stuff it not work anymore but something to do. Know anyone that can be the next vacuum guru............... regards MOLE
HI MOLE:
Mickey D's was giving a medium drink and fries free with the Angus when it came out. Hardee's Carl Jr. got upset with the name Angus, said it copied them, and so added a Big Carl's to the menu. It's giving free medium fries and drink with purchase. I liked all 3 Angus burgers. Yes, summer hours back in the day was closing at noon to make the first races at Monmouth/Aqueduct. Then to Yonkers at night. But not every day. Only when there was a good reason. Read: Hot tip! I know 3: Me, myself and I!  Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #27 Sep 5, 2009 5:27 pm |
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I will only give a short sample of the what's & whys of the issue but I could discuss for hours if so inclined.
Basically the Bagless Vacuum serves 1 main purpose and it's not to save the customer $'s on bags.
It's to fit a business model that ......"value=price". The previous business Model that "Service, Quality, Repairability, Brand Loyalty etc=Profit" does not offer QUICK ENOUGH FINANCIAL RETURN.
1 You can now sell a Vacuum in a box-no demo, no qualified sales person, no parts, no service, no repairs, no accountability. SALE boom SHORT TERM PROFIT...NEXT! You can even sell it by being a faceless entity just by posting a picture on a computer.
Lucky1:
Amen, thanks to customers like HS and vacuum makers like dyson who cater to them and big box retailers. Take note: Circuit City: bankrupt. Linens-N-Things: bankrupt. SEARS: Tetering on bankruptcy. Most big box retailers currently: Struggling. Why? GREEDY. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #28 Sep 5, 2009 6:50 pm |
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Lucky1: Amen, thanks to customers like HS and vacuum makers like dyson who cater to them and big box retailers. Take note: Circuit City: bankrupt. Linens-N-Things: bankrupt. SEARS: Tetering on bankruptcy. Most big box retailers currently: Struggling. Why? GREEDY. Carmine D. Using a vac in the indies store is a very poor test.
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