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procare
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What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Original Message Sep 4, 2009 1:20 pm |
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Since I have been coming to this site I have seen bickering about Dyson, Hoover and a few other brands. But to me it is why is this industry important and why all the different brands and models. My feeling is that they are necessary to maintain a way of life. Cleanliness, health, and just plain keeping everything nice. We started with dirt floors, went to rock and wood floors. Floors were kept up with brooms for hundreds of years. With the advent of electricity the vacuum cleaner came along with elecrtic motors. Just so you know , I am aware of the types of early sweepers from the late 1800's. So the question I put to you is why is it so important to be a bagless society of Dyson? Why Bagged? Why a particular brand over another? Give me and anyone that comes to this site some answers as to why and how is one better than another? I am watching and listening. Procare 54 years in the business and still going strong.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #13 Sep 5, 2009 8:57 am |
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Hello Venson: Thanks for your insights on the vacuum industry. We share many of the same perspectives on vacuums, the industry and most importantly the vacuum consumers. Most vacuum buyers/users, like my engineer friend and her dyson, could care less about the patents and 500 engineers. They want to turn it on, use it, put away and move on with the busy-ness of their lives and families. Only when they can't, like her, do they care about their vacuums. After I demoed the dyson's finer points of care and use, she was very quiet. I waited for a response. Carmine, she said, in 4 years you can expect another call to do another service on my dyson. I just smiled. At my age, it's always nice to have something to look forward to. Before you get the wrong idea, she makes wonderful lasagna. A lost art in today's world. Carmine D.
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mole
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #14 Sep 5, 2009 9:10 am |
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Hi Carmine,im really surprised that the belts/clutch were still O.K. Think they will still be your friends when the clutch/belts have to be replaced . If i were you i would just tell them i had to make many changes to your dc07 while repairing it,and turned it into an ORECK. They will thank you and treat you at micky D's on top of the itialian food.MMMMMMMMMM FOOD................ regards MOLE
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CarmineD
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #15 Sep 5, 2009 9:18 am |
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Hi Carmine,im really surprised that the belts/clutch were still O.K. Think they will still be your friends when the clutch/belts have to be replaced . If i were you i would just tell them i had to make many changes to your dc07 while repairing it,and turned it into an ORECK. They will thank you and treat you at micky D's on top of the itialian food.MMMMMMMMMM FOOD................ regards MOLE Hello MOLE:
I attribute DC07 clutch and belt worthiness after 4 years to her lack of the vacuum's usage. But I suspect they will go in time. I passed along a dirt devil cordless stick to the oldest boy: 7. He loves it! Maybe in time an ORECK. As you say, a hokie on a stick. BTW, old Mac Donald's, as my grand daughter calls the Golden Arches, is one of my favorites. Can't overindulge. Bad on the wasteline. Carmine D.
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mole
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #16 Sep 5, 2009 9:32 am |
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Got to stay in shape for the ladies At least you wont get tired chasing them around at the spa, B.T.W tried the angus burger at mickys last night,not bad for 4 bucks but should throw in fries and coke just to sweeten the deal.I still think wendys beats them for value. Did you run summer hours when you had your shop?. I am really thinking hard about bringing some one in to take over the helm. After 37 years of this stuff it not work anymore but something to do. Know anyone that can be the next vacuum guru............... regards MOLE
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #17 Sep 5, 2009 11:40 am |
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Hi Carmine,im really surprised that the belts/clutch were still O.K. Think they will still be your friends when the clutch/belts have to be replaced . If i were you i would just tell them i had to make many changes to your dc07 while repairing it,and turned it into an ORECK. They will thank you and treat you at micky D's on top of the itialian food.MMMMMMMMMM FOOD................ regards MOLE Maybe he should give her an Oreck. Then he can visit several times a year to replace belts, brush rolls and unclog it.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #18 Sep 5, 2009 11:41 am |
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Got to stay in shape for the ladies At least you wont get tired chasing them around at the spa, B.T.W tried the angus burger at mickys last night,not bad for 4 bucks but should throw in fries and coke just to sweeten the deal.I still think wendys beats them for value. Did you run summer hours when you had your shop?. I am really thinking hard about bringing some one in to take over the helm. After 37 years of this stuff it not work anymore but something to do. Know anyone that can be the next vacuum guru............... regards MOLE DIB would certainly be an asset to your business.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #19 Sep 5, 2009 12:03 pm |
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DIB: I can tear apart each of the silly points you made about dysons with incontrovertible proof. I choose only one, probably the biggest dyson selling myth propagated: No cost for bags and lifetime filters. Yeah, right! I'll spare others here reading my redundancy just to prove you wrong again and again. You refuse and ignore the truth about dyson. It's no better than any other big box outsourced brand made vacuum on the market today, bagged/bagless. Just much more expensive [at least for now but prices are dropping]. Sooner or later you'll gat your head out of James' butt and you'll have to come to terms with the truth about your fave brand. Mediocre performance at best at exorbitant prices. Carmine D. No you can’t, and no you did not prove I said forever filters (older vacs). DIB
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mole
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #20 Sep 5, 2009 12:15 pm |
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
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Re: What makes the vacuum cleaner inustry so important?
Reply #21 Sep 5, 2009 1:47 pm |
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Why Dyson (society?) over bagged...<BR><BR>Dyson can guarantee No Loss of Suction (strength) for a period of time (1 month to many years). There is not a bag vac manufacturer or a bag manufacturer (including the mighty 3M) that can give this guarantee.<BR><BR>Dyson owners like the convenience and/or looking at how much they have collected in their clear bins vice a concealed bag.<BR><BR>Dyson owners enjoy not having to locate and the costs associated with collection bags and/or filters.<BR><BR>Dyson Ball owners like having more maneuverability-choices/flexibility when saddled with the chore of vacuuming.<BR><BR>Dyson owns broad patents on the Ball, and only Dyson has the legal right to manufacturer this type of steering (best in the world steering) vacuum cleaners.<BR><BR>Dyson owns broad patents on the Core + Root filtration and only Dyson has the legal right to manufacturer these type of separators (best in the world filtration w/DDM) vacuum cleaners.<BR><BR>Dyson DDM DC22 owners enjoy having what looks to be the strongest suctioning, smallest footprint canister in the world vacuum cleaner.<BR><BR>Dyson owners enjoy the connivence of quick bin dumping (although they have not figured out or been taught how to [mostly] eliminate the dust plume, a shame).<BR><BR><BR>DIB
MM some interesting statements there, DIB. Dyson can guarantee No Loss of Suction for a lifetime, dependent on the maintenance that the owner puts in for caring for their machine. This doesn't mean that after three years if the filters haven't been touched owners can moan about why their vacuum isn't picking up the way it should. People have become lazy which is why the bagless idea works well - no need to get out of your house and find bag replacements. Bags work differently because they all clog with dust but some are different from others because of their sealing textures (cue Miele and Sebo) so can last longer than standard 2 ply paper bags. And filters by Dyson have to be replaced eventually so there are not always 'lifetime guaranteed" again dependent largely on the matter of dust picked up per owner and their homes. This is why Dyson filters are washable but even the most washed filter can begin to lose its strength compared to one that hasn't been tainted. Not all Dyson owners like to see what they have collected. Would you like a see through toilet in your home? I know I wouldn't! How convenient is it really to see what you have picked up from your carpet? As for the patents, let Dyson have as many as they wish. The strongest suction is all very well on hard flooring but I wonder just how much pull a Dyson has in terms of destroying actual carpet textures coupled with an additional brush bar? Dyson owners may well enjoy the convience of quick bin dumping but most report (in reviews especially) that clouds of dust re-enter the homes or their lungs. How healthy is that? In this respect despite the older reliance, paper bags are better for keeping all that dust in.
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