Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Just so you know , I am aware of the types of early sweepers from the late 1800's.

So the question I put to you is why is it so important to be a bagless society of Dyson? Why Bagged? Why a particular brand over another? Give me and anyone that comes to this site some answers as to why and how is one better than another?

I am watching and listening.                                                                  Procare           54 years in the business and still going strong.

Again, DIB, your logic and business sense woefully fails to meet an asset litmus test.  Take the high end amount IN GOOD TIMES of $120,000,000 and divide by 500 dyson engineers.  The result is $240,000 per engineer.  Then deduct the engineers' salaries.  Let's say $100,000 per being conservative, probably more but let's lo-ball.  That's $50 MILLION in salaries.  What's left?  $70 MILLION.  Before paying the in-house cost of the dyson patent lawyers and his hired legal guns in 3 piece suits with 3 names from New York City.  What's left, if anything, is not alot of money, DIB.  Quite the opposite.

Dyson isn't interested in producing/selling leading edge floorcare products.  He wants to sue others who actually do and take a piece of their profits.  Ironically, they may not even know they are infringing on dyson patents.   James: what a vacuum guy!

Carmine D.

First, DIB, the plastic bag for bin dumping is users with dust allergies, asthma, and sinus problems, not all dyson users.  Right.  Get your facts straight.  Read the dyson user guide.

Second, if users change their vacuum bags inside the house and dispose of the old bags in the trash inside the house, why not do the same for bagless?  The answer is obvious.  ORECK demonstrates the mushrooms of dirt clouds that pervade the inside air from bin dumping even when you can't see them.  Are you and dyson reinventing the bin dumping practice after the fact just for your own convenience?  At the expense of increased user time and effort for bagless bin dumping?  Sounds like a huge inconvenience for buyers/users of bagless vacuums.   Add in the cost of the pre-post filters, especially HEPA, and the several times a year for filter maintenance, and you have huge headaches and out of pocket expenses.

Do you see why 54 percent of the UK vacuum users choose bags over bins?

Carmine D. 

You just told us that 46 percent of UK vacuum users buy/use bagless.  Then, 54 percent use bags.  Bags win over bins in the UK and probably in the rest of the vacuum world.  So what's your point?  You and dirt bins lose.  Bags win. 

WRT seeing is believing, how about all the unseen dirt and dust that gets imbedded in the cyclones over time that users can't see and never gets dumped.  Just builds up.  What is that doing to the filtering capacity and efficiency of bagless operations?  Choking it. 

Carmine D.

VacuumUK,
Note:  Venson (who’s not Severus)   -  No need to write a reply on deliberately dusting a home when emptying a bin.  We’ve had this conversation before.

DIB

Apparently all the discussions and proof are falling on deaf ears and blind eyes.  Why?  Dyson is suing ORECK for disclosing the health hazards of dyson dirt bin dumping in the home.  Yet, Consumer Reports and doctors  and even you agree it is not healthy and clean.  In fact they recommend using dust maskes to cover the face when bin dumping [inside/out].  Not just for asthma and allergy users, but for all bagless users.  Dumb dyson is suing anyways.  More money than sense.  How much will this frivolous lawsuit cost dyson when it's lost?  Lot's of sales of new, used and dyson refurbs.  The ruling will support what the vacuum industry has siad for years.  It's a health hazard.  May even result in many bagless returns and a fall-off in bagless sales.  I suspect the ruling may even result in a warning label on all bagless vacuums to all users that bagless bin dumping poses a potential health risk to all and pollutes the air.  What do you and dyson think about that?

Carmine D.

WRT Melanie, aka Catlady, she was outraged by the cost of MIELE paper bags on her new S7.  BUT she said here in no uncertain terms that she would never buy/use a bagless vacuum regardless.  Why?  She is an allergy and asthma sufferer.  While bags are expensive for her needs, she would suffer terribly with a bagless vacuum and more than likely would not be able to do the vacuuming. 

James Dyson forgot all the people like Melanie.  Dyson's arrogance has certainly cost the brand the majority of bagged vacuum users in the UK.  And likely elsewhere in the world.  

The vacuum industry provides users with options.  Let them decide what works best for their money and needs.  Not James Dyson, who is the least qualified in the industry to know and the most prejudiced too.

Carmine D.

HS:

I'm amazed at the huge size of ORECK bags and the amount they are filled when I replace.  It is generally agreed that 8 ORECK bags [@ about $12 per pack]  last a year.  For most users this is probably true.   Since you were a dirt bin dumper once, how many trips to the outside trash can with the dirt bin would that make in a year?  Add in the plastic bags to accumulate and contain the clear bin dirt, and how much does that add to the bagless bananza?

Carmine D.

The best for airflow is still a top load design.

How would the dyson work with a filter bag in it?. Heres a tip for you Sir Jimmy, it would centralize the suction better and compress the dirt and only would have to be changed every 4 to 6 weeks,under normal household conditions.Of course you would have to change the chacateristics of your cyclone design and feed it from the top down.

Of course then your vacuum will be just as good as a 39.95 dirt devil[bagged upright].

Of course you still have the wildest colors on the market, Did the contract with HASBRO expire yet.

REGARDS

MOLE

When you spew untruths and lies here, and dyson spun fairy tales, my nose and mouth will respond to you and them.  Be assured of this regardless of whom/what are the recipient of your posts.  If you can't deal with the truth DIB, which apparently is the case and has been of late [amazing what no dyson bonuses for 2008 and 2009 will do to one's mental capacities], regardless of the source, then you are the one who is truly in need of rehab here.  Does your employer provide these types of assistance to its slaves, I mean employees?

Carmine D.