Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Saw today the Costco now sell the Oreck for $299 something I really didn't pay close attention just noticed a black charcoal color vacuum that everyone seem to have in the shopping cart...<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>

CarmineD wrote:

And to think that you criticize Dyson for liquidating old stock.  Of course you would complain if Dyson gave them away.

BTW, you never told us that Oreck had enough OLD STOCK to have to liquidate.  Not to mention all those refurbs at Harbor freight.  Maybe the Oreck model is suffering more than you would admit.

Well HS if you look at refurbs, ORECK has a few listings on a few pages including the Commercial upright at Harbor Freight. 

Not too bad for a company with a presence in the USA for over 45 years and selling over 10 million units

including a prevasive presence at hotels and motels.  Probably the reason for the refurb commercial uprights.  Traded to

upgrade the cleaning fleet.

If you look at dyson refurbs, the Web pages go on and on well into the double digits packed from top to bottom.  For a

company that has been selling for only 7 years in the USA.  You defend that record of huge numbers of dyson refurbs? 

Shame on you.  It is indicative of severe product sales problems.  Like I always say to your friend DIB, where you stand

depends on where you sit.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:
We may see the day when Dyson has as many refurbs as Hoover. Of course if Dyson had not busted Hoover then Hoover would have always held top spot for refurbs.

I'm not sure how it is for commercial units, but Oreck does encourage consumers to try an Oreck in their home for 30 days with a very generous return policy.    Certainly not everyone will decide to keep the Oreck.  Some may even try for the "free gifts". 

HARDSELL wrote:

Gotcha HS:

I knew you would bite.  At one time, several years ago, you made this argument and you were right.  But no more.  First HOOVER has been in the US for over 100 years and the WT's, which you like to cite, have been on the market since 1998, alot longer than the DC16 and DC25 for examples.  Now dyson refurbs, and for some time now, outnumber HOOVER refurbs 2 to 1 at least on web pages, retaielrs and sites.  No other vacuum maker, bar none, has as many refurbs listed and for sale as your fave brand.

Like I said this is indicative of other problems:  sales, product, etc.  I hear Chopin's funeral march being played. 

Carmine D.

Severus wrote:

Hello Severus:

Good point.  The free gifts are more desirable in hard times.  ORECK itself does not list refurbs for sale on its site.  Like dyson and HOOVER do.  ORECK sells thru arrangements with retailers and/or thru its network of 450 stores.

The Harbor Freight Commercial upright reconditioned for $189 is not a buy, its ok.  The model sells new between $200 and $250.  Harbor Freight is not the best venue for ORECK sales either.  More an esoteric retailer, not mainstream.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

As franchise fees go, this is on the lower end of price.  Considering no ORECK store has ever been shuttered in 40 years, it is a testament to their success. 

BUT... my advice to all:  Be your own boss regardless of the business but especially the vacuum business.  Keep the franchise fee in your pocket.  Run the show. 

I would never make dyson a mainstay of my business.  Too niche.  But certainly it should be part of it.  Why?  There's money to be made in dyson now even as a niche repair venue whether you like/sell the product new or not.  Most indies even if they discourage the sales are getting dysons in for repairs.  You can send to dyson, but you don't want to lose customers in a bad economy.  In fact even in a good economy. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You got nothing Carmine unless you have stats to prove what you claim.  You claim 2 to 1.  Give us the  of units listed by each then you have something.

All the local pawn shops and yard sales are full of Hoovers.  Seldom see a Dyson.  Hoover seems to be # 1 listed on craigslist.

Again, HS like you dyson friend DIB you ask soup questions that have no meaning.  Look at the Web sites and do the math.

What I got is the correct perpsective on dyson refurbs and you/dyson can't counter with your own spin/smoke and mirrors.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I did not ask any questions.  Now I will.  Can you add all the units on the web.  I doubt it.  THere was no doubt however that you were just spouting off as usual with no proof.

I spun nothing.  You are now trying to twist out of another statement that you can't prove.  It has come to be expected of you.