Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

CarmineD wrote:
No he waiting for the returns to come back,then he can have a truckload for nothing.BUT,BUT,BUT, we use cyclones and i;m a nice guy really,really,i am.

Dyson in the USA=FAIL

regards

MOLE

DysonInventsBig wrote:
My understanding of the separators in vacuums is that most of the problems, i.e. dirt not being filtered out,  occur with dirt going into the cyclones at start up.  At start up you have turbulence and start up issues.  It's no big deal with an upright that is running continuously, but I do wonder how well it works for a hand vac that is cycling on and off a lot. 

CarmineD wrote:
I made the offer (bet) to make the point...  that, even when presented with a gift (looking smart in front of your peers and simultaneously excommunicating the number one Dyson advocate and reveler in exposing the dealer cons) you will back down.  Science supersedes yours and others loose lips and conning lips.

How you spend your recreational time is not of interest to me.  My interest is in exposing the seedy side (segment) to your industry - via you (primarily).  Stay focused please.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote: Severus wrote:
I have not seen any evidence of this.  Have you?

DIB

P.S.  I own 3 DC16's.

DIB:

I have the gift of smartness [its called IQ].  No need to look it.  The latter [looking smart] is for those like you with something to prove [confidence as in con] in the absence of the truth!

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Probably a good number to own and use.  One DC 16 just can't do any clean up job in the short 5 minutes operation time.  Now the question for you to answer, honestly if you would, is how much did you pay for each one?  MSRP $150-$200.  Or like MOLE suggests here, are these dyson handhelds some of the huge number of DC16 returns that dyson sells [more like giveaway] as part of its family and friends program for pennies on the dollar?

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

Hiya MOLE:

First he needs to remove his head from the part of James anatomy where the sun never shines.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DysonInventsBig wrote: Severus wrote:

Hello Severus:

I agree.  Please allow me the liberty to answer DIB's question for you WRT cyclones clogging quicker in handhelds. 

DIB:  If you can take your head out from under James/dyson, the Youtube video that vacmanuk posted comparing a dyson DC16 to the Black & Decker pivotvac.  The fine flour test was done first.  Then followed by the larger pieces of wet kitty litter.  The user was manually helping the dyson pick up the litter with the oblong cleaning nozzle by using his hand to push it in.  So holding a DC16 in one hand and pushing the litter into the nozzle opening with the other.  Both hands occupied.  Then the user removes the nozzle and uses the larger dyson suction opening.  Still, dyson's DC16 stumbled and runs out of charge with the job just been completed.  Why, DIB?

Dah!  The cyclones were clogged by the fine flour just as Severus opines.  And dyson always warns in its literature.  When these clog, suction effectiveness diminishes.  I suspect if the wet kitty litter were done first, a DC16 would fare better but not for long.  A DC16 would choke on the next cleanup job.  Since the same methodology is used for the B&D pivot vac as the DC16, the test is valid.  Dyson chokes and B&D wins.  Any wonder why so many of these high and over priced excuses for a handheld vacuum are returned?

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Back at you DIB.  I have no interest in betting cheaters, welchers and fools with silly offers.  I bet for cash.  Stay focused.  Why didn't the DC16 pick up the wet kity litter as quickly and easily as the B&D pivot vac which still had a full charge more than a DC16 after the job was complete? Let's see: $150-$200 versus $50?  Remember your sign and the good Pastor's words?  

Carmine D.

Hello Severus:

Looks like DIB by his lack of responses here is conspicuosly MIA and absent.

In concert with your reservations about the cyclones on dyson's handheld, the Popular Meachanics test complicates the clean-up scenario further with the "wet" kitty litter.  Water is tabu for dyson dirt cyclones.  Speeds up the clogging process in the cyclones.  Hence dyson's warnings about never ever using water and washing the cyclones.  Moral of the story, if you want a handheld that looks innovative but only works for 5 minutes on limited clean up jobs, and you have $150-$200 to flush down the toilet, DC16 id the one.  If you are looking to buy a real hand held cordless with a 30 year history of product performance and only $50, Black & Decker is the one. 

Carmine D.