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M00seUK


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Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Original Message   Jun 25, 2009 10:06 am
In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

  • Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
  • 200 watt motor
  • 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
  • £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

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retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #154   Aug 6, 2009 7:57 pm
CarmineD wrote:
For the dyosn non-believers, the appliance manager at the largest BEST BUY retailer of dysons on the east coast, told me dyson's DC16 were returned more quickly and in greater numbers than any other vacuum it ever sold, save the DC11.

Carmine D.

HI CARMINE

i just came from big lots....saw some of the dc-16 hand vacs.......$80.  and the shelf was packed with them.  havent held one in a while. forgot how small they are.

wasnt charged so no try outs.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #155   Aug 7, 2009 6:59 am
retardturtle1 wrote:
HI CARMINE

i just came from big lots....saw some of the dc-16 hand vacs.......$80.  and the shelf was packed with them.  havent held one in a while. forgot how small they are.

wasnt charged so no try outs.

Hello 'turtle1'

Probably a more appropriate price [$80] for this dyson handheld.  Throw in the $60 attachments free with the purchase and they might even sell.

The past price and performance history of the Royal/Dirt Devil handcleaners [at least here in the USA] programs/shocks hand vacuum consumers when they see the prices of dyson's DC16/30/31.  Whoa!  $300 not counting $60 for attachments.  You gotta be kidding.  The mindset among buyers is:  What makes this worth so much??????  Will they buy into the dyson digital motor spin?  I, as a retired vacuum industry professional who saw first hand the makes/models that Venson spoke about, don't and won't.  I can't expect them too and/or make them think I do to justify the outrageous price/sales.  Knowing full well that I sold Royal/Dirt Devil [metal in the early version] handcleaners for over 40 years, by request only, and believe them worth the price for performance by leaps and bounds over dyson's latest and greatest. 

Carmine D.

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retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #156   Aug 7, 2009 3:55 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello 'turtle1'

Probably a more appropriate price [$80] for this dyson handheld.  Throw in the $60 attachments free with the purchase and they might even sell.

The past price and performance history of the Royal/Dirt Devil handcleaners [at least here in the USA] programs/shocks hand vacuum consumers when they see the prices of dyson's DC16/30/31.  Whoa!  $300 not counting $60 for attachments.  You gotta be kidding.  The mindset among buyers is:  What makes this worth so much??????  Will they buy into the dyson digital motor spin?  I, as a retired vacuum industry professional who saw first hand the makes/models that Venson spoke about, don't and won't.  I can't expect them too and/or make them think I do to justify the outrageous price/sales.  Knowing full well that I sold Royal/Dirt Devil [metal in the early version] handcleaners for over 40 years, by request only, and believe them worth the price for performance by leaps and bounds over dyson's latest and greatest. 

Carmine D.


HI CARMINE

but still...$80 .   for a few minutes at best. ...not worth it.  same perf as the rest but at higher cost....not going to find power and perf in a corless vac....not even the ddm version is worth it.... corded is where its at....even at $20-40 youll find a handheld that will outperform the ddm version....and run till your done cleaning....and last as long.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #157   Aug 7, 2009 9:02 pm


By the time this old tired dog, the DD is plugged in and converted to fit a nozzle the DC16's vacuumed the same job and is back in its charging base.  Pistol grip supersedes top mounted grips, the DC16 can be pointed/maneuvered into more places than any top grip, this is why pistol grips have been standard in the tool industry since Black and Decker invented the pistol grip drill.  And for the penny pinchers...  why spend hard earned pennies on this dog when the already paid for upright w/ hose/wand or canister that's sitting unused and in the closet?  And it can do the job better (out perform) the DD and at a zero [extra] cost...  more pennies saved.

Hey Carmine, why not print these two pictures and walk up and down the floors at Best Buy and the canvas the parking lots of Cosco's and ask folks what’s the quickest way to do a “quick clean-up”?

DIB 

P.S.  Did DD ever fix the massive air leak where the door covers the brushroll?
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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #158   Aug 8, 2009 6:49 am
DIB:

Let me repeat this for you again v-e-r-y   s-l-o-w-l-y  so you can get it once and for all.  This is the second time in the last few days I posted this and probably have done so a dozen times but as usual you just don't get it. 

The appliance manager at the BEST BUY store that sells more dysons on the east coast than any other retailer told me in front of the store manager that dyson's DC16 was the quickest and most returned vacuum product its ever sold except for the DC11.  BEST BUY stores and its customers have made up their mind already about your product.  It gets the worse rating of all the hand helds sold at BEST BUY stores.  BTW, the Black & Decker pivot vacuum, by James/dyson's own admission is the product that the DC30/31 are chasing, gets 5 stars.

Carmine D.

Dyson - Root 6 Animal Bagless Cordless Hand Vac - Iron/Bronze

Model: 00133 | SKU: 8768238

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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #159   Aug 8, 2009 6:55 am
retardturtle1 wrote:
HI CARMINE

but still...$80 .   for a few minutes at best. ...not worth it.  same perf as the rest but at higher cost....not going to find power and perf in a corless vac....not even the ddm version is worth it.... corded is where its at....even at $20-40 youll find a handheld that will outperform the ddm version....and run till your done cleaning....and last as long.



Hello 'turtle1'

Agree.  As a do-it-yourselfer myself I would welcome the opportunity to buy and use a product that would allow home/car/garage project clean-ups.  No doubt this is the buying market James tarhets for the DC16/30/31.  But at the prices $200-$300 w/o attachments for the laughable performance dyson succeeds only in marketing a product that looks and works best in a display case.  I wonder how many DIB owns and how often he dusts them/display cases they reside in.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #160   Aug 8, 2009 10:04 am
CarmineD wrote:
DIB:</p><p>Let me repeat this for you again v-e-r-y   s-l-o-w-l-y  so you can get it once and for all.  This is the second time in the last few days I posted this and probably have done so a dozen times but as usual you just don't get it.  </p><p>The appliance manager at the BEST BUY store that sells more dysons on the east coast than any other retailer told me in front of the store manager that dyson's DC16 was the quickest and most returned vacuum product its ever sold except for the DC11.  BEST BUY stores and its customers have made up their mind already about your product.  It gets the worse rating of all the hand helds sold at BEST BUY stores.  BTW, the Black &amp; Decker pivot vacuum, by James/dyson's own admission is the product that the DC30/31 are chasing, gets 5 stars. </p><p>Carmine D.</p><div id="searchstate"><font color="#333399">Best Buy</font> &gt; <font color="#333399">Home &amp; Appliances</font> &gt; <font color="#333399">Vacuums &amp; Floor Care</font> &gt; <font color="#333399">Handheld &amp; Stick Vacuums</font> &gt; <strong>Product Info</strong> </div><!-- E:07G --><div id="productpreview"><!-- the "upper half" of the page --><div id="imagepreview"><!-- left hand side of the "postcard" --><img height="123" alt="8768238 Front Large" src="http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/8768/8768238_sb.jpg" width="220" align="top" border="0"/><BR><div id="morebuttons"><ul><li><img id="viewmorephotos" alt="View More Photos" src="http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/global/buttons/btn_viewmore.gif" border="0"/><font color="#333399"> </font><!--Code snippet for displaying the DND_product_demo- start--><!--Code snippet for displaying the DND_product_demo - end--></li></ul></div><div class="clear"><font color="#333399"></font></div><div id="productlogo"><font color="#333399"></font></div><div id="swatches"><font color="#333399"><!-- B:0YE --><!-- E:0YE --></font></div><!-- pt10 --></div><div id="productsummary"><!-- right hand side of the "postcard"--><div class="pdpcurveborder"><font color="#333399"><!-- --></font></div><div class="pdpsummarybox"><!-- B:0YA --><h1>Dyson - Root 6 Animal Bagless Cordless Hand Vac - Iron/Bronze </h1><div id="detailband"><strong>Model:</strong> 00133 <span class="sep"><font color="#cccccc">|</font></span> <strong>SKU:</strong> 8768238 <BR><BR><span id="BVCustomRatingsSummary"><div id="reviewband"><strong>Customer Reviews: </strong><img alt="2.4 out of 5 stars" src="http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/global/misc/ratings_star_2_4.gif"/><span id="reviewscore"><strong> 2.4</strong></span><span id="reviewnum"> <font color="#003399">Read reviews (9)</font></span></div></span></div><!-- E:0YA --><div class="pdphr"><hr/></div></div></div></div>

The DC16 does score higher on Amazon than the DD you picture.
DysonInventsBig


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Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #161   Aug 8, 2009 11:03 am
CarmineD wrote:
DIB:

Let me repeat this for you again v-e-r-y   s-l-o-w-l-y  so you can get it once and for all.  This is the second time in the last few days I posted this and probably have done so a dozen times but as usual you just don't get it. 

The appliance manager at the BEST BUY store that sells more dysons on the east coast than any other retailer told me in front of the store manager that dyson's DC16 was the quickest and most returned vacuum product its ever sold except for the DC11.  BEST BUY stores and its customers have made up their mind already about your product.  It gets the worse rating of all the hand helds sold at BEST BUY stores.  BTW, the Black & Decker pivot vacuum, by James/dyson's own admission is the product that the DC30/31 are chasing, gets 5 stars.

Carmine D.

Dyson - Root 6 Animal Bagless Cordless Hand Vac - Iron/Bronze

Model: 00133 | SKU: 8768238

Customer Reviews: 2.4 out of 5 stars 2.4 Read reviews (9)


Carmine,

Type/talk slow as you want, it makes no difference to me.

What do you find most difficult about my question and why do you avoid it? - It’s a fair [consumer] question.

I’ll repeat the question...  Using the DD illustration, what would consumers find faster and easier at cleaning this door rail?
1)  Plugging the DD into an outlet and converting to fit a nozzle and if the rail is longer then it's requires two hands to get the job done OR...
2)  Snapping a nozzle into a DC16 and pulling the trigger and using only one hand regardless of the job requirements?


DIB
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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #162   Aug 8, 2009 2:04 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
The DC16 does score higher on Amazon than the DD you picture.


HS:

True but get real.  Dyson's handheld for $200 [and now even more] price tag is the highest price for a handheld in the vacuum industry.  It merits a  3.5 star rating out of a possible 5.  That's mediocre and laughable.  Highest price should command highest rating.  The DD Ultra on the other hand for $29.95 scores 2.5 stars.  At least DD gives buyers/users theri money's worth for the purchase.  This is what matters to consumers.  They want their money's worth out of their vacuum purchases.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #163   Aug 8, 2009 2:13 pm
Let's see DIB:  $200-$300?  $30?  That's a hard question for you to answer?  Pretty easy!  Most, if not all except you, know the answer without having to ask the question.  For most if not all, 10 for $30 each with a rating of 2.5 beats 1 for $300 with a rating of 3.5.  Except for the people that P.T Barnum talks about who are born and every 6 minutes.  And they are waiting in the line for their signs, so dyson can target them with its new products.

Carmine D.

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