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Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Original Message   Jun 25, 2009 10:06 am
In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

  • Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
  • 200 watt motor
  • 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
  • £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

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DysonInventsBig


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #82   Aug 1, 2009 12:18 am
CarmineD wrote:
How do you know they aren't?

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:
Because the are not technical savy.  No experience beyond 40's ingenuity.

James Dyson has often said he will not hire engineers from competing companies.  And why should he?  DIB


CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #83   Aug 1, 2009 6:37 am
CarmineD wrote:
How do you know they aren't?

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:
Because the are not technical savy.  No experience beyond 40's ingenuity.


James Dyson has often said he will not hire engineers from competing companies.  And why should he?  DIB

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You know DIB, all companies say this.  It's the party line.  None practice it.  They all hire from their competition.  In fact it's viewed as a victory to hire away the competition's best and brightest.  James is no different.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #84   Aug 1, 2009 7:27 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
James Dyson has often said he will not hire engineers from competing companies.  And why should he?  DIB


Hoover did not last long as competition.  Dyson busted em.
HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #85   Aug 1, 2009 7:29 am
CarmineD wrote:
James Dyson has often said he will not hire engineers from competing companies.  And why should he?  DIB

*****************************************************************************************************************************

You know DIB, all companies say this.  It's the party line.  None practice it.  They all hire from their competition.  In fact it's viewed as a victory to hire away the competition's best and brightest.  James is no different.

Carmine D.



Bright Hoover engineer is an oxymoron.  Like I said James did not want them as the had nothing to offer.
CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #86   Aug 1, 2009 7:35 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Bright Hoover engineer is an oxymoron.  Like I said James did not want them as the had nothing to offer.



You're right.  If talent and experience and knowledge are viewed as nothing to offer, it's understandable that dyson sells a toy handheld with 6 minute charge for close to $300 and thinks it's innovative.  As the reviews said: Pricey, small bin, short battery charge.  What part of this is innovative beside the price? 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #87   Aug 1, 2009 8:48 am
CarmineD wrote:
You're right.  If talent and experience and knowledge are viewed as nothing to offer, it's understandable that dyson sells a toy handheld with 6 minute charge for close to $300 and thinks it's innovative.  As the reviews said: Pricey, small bin, short battery charge.  What part of this is innovative beside the price? 

Carmine D.



The 6 minute run time.  May be a first in the industry. 

Or does it only take 6 minutes to charge vs hrs. to charge?

CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #88   Aug 1, 2009 8:51 am
HARDSELL wrote:
The 6 minute run time.  May be a first in the industry. 

Or does it only take 6 minutes to charge vs hrs. to charge?



For $300, you're right!  Remember even in low suction mode it's approximate 10 minute time is shorter than the less expensive handhelds on the market today.  Sorry, doesn't get the prize except for highest price.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #89   Aug 1, 2009 9:37 am
CarmineD wrote:
James Dyson has often said he will not hire engineers from competing companies.  And why should he?  DIB

*****************************************************************************************************************************

You know DIB, all companies say this.  It's the party line.  None practice it.  They all hire from their competition.  In fact it's viewed as a victory to hire away the competition's best and brightest.  James is no different.

Carmine D.


Carmine,

Why would he/they hire from a pool of innovative-inept?


DIB


DysonInventsBig


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Points: 1454

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #90   Aug 1, 2009 9:57 am
Venson wrote:
<BR> <BR>

My God, Severus what do you want? A practical machine? Something that might appear to be worth the money asked; tne price of a fairly decent straight suction canister vacuum? Those guys just don't think that way. They like hanging out on the lunatic about a pint-sized battery run machine that has what the whole world needs -- "cyclonics". I wish I was on whatever they're on.

Best,

Venson

DIB

Hello Venson and hello to your alter ego...  Severus.  Who you kiddin?

If you compare apples to apples (performance of cordless handhelds), NOTHING COMES CLOSE to the DC31/31's performance.  Forget about price, can you name cordless handheld that outperforms this vacuum?  And Dyson owns the world wide rights or he owns the world wide exclusive.  No other competitor can touch Dyson's weight to power, the patented DDM, the patented and best packaged (small) hi/low cyclonic’s no-clogging dust separators (the DC16 is a phenomenal filtering machine), the patented pistol grip.  Pistol grips are standards in the construction and DIY industry because it's the best place to hold onto to maneuver and point.


DIB
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HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #91   Aug 1, 2009 10:06 am
CarmineD wrote:
For $300, you're right!  Remember even in low suction mode it's approximate 10 minute time is shorter than the less expensive handhelds on the market today.  Sorry, doesn't get the prize except for highest price.

Carmine D.


Carmine, no argument when I think you are right.  This may be the 2nd time we have agreed.

I believe someone eluder to preferring a canister (full sized I assume) with attachments. That is not always practical as some mentioned no electrical outlets where the vac was needed.

I have a Euro pro plug in (hand Held) that will remove dirt, dust, pebbles and such as good or better than any full size I have used.  It is a pain in the arsh to beat the dust out of the cloth bag and the heppa screen bag is a bigger pain to clean.

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