Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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There you go again DIB.  When you can't dispute the facts you digress and go with personal attacks.  I stick to the products and their pros and cons.  Be honest and straight forward with customers and they keep coming back [for over 40 years in the same location and still].  Make false, misleading, exaggerated and untrue product claims about what your products can/can't do, and the truth eventually prevails.  If your father pawned off hamburger meat as filet mignon and charged customers accordingly, I suspect his 3 restaurants would not have survived for very long.  The vacuum biz is no different. 

Your belief system is as self-serving as you have always been here.  Where you stand depends on where you sit.  You are clearly a dyson pawn here just as TOM was for a long period of time.  You believe and ssay if a dealer sells dyson it is honest and business worthy.  If the dealer doesn't, as most indies don't, they are liars and jealous of James' success.  DIB, that line is getting old here.  It works for a short time when dyson doesn't have a track record.  Now that it does, the dyson failures speak for themselves.  Mediocre performance anfd products with luxury prices.  A con par excellence.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Let me say for MOLE that this is classic DIB dyson bull shine with sugar coating.  Dyson products' reps are the laughing stock of the USA vacuum industry.  Even among authorized dyson dealers.  Get real and visit the indies and talk with them and look around their shops and stores.  See what they say directly about dysons' products and James.  Not liked at all.  Just the opposite.  They'll tell you he is no vacuum man.

Don't even talk about wheel barrows, hand dryers, washing machines and other dyson failed products.  It makes them laugh hysterically.  You're living in a dream world DIB.  Follow TOM's lead and others here.  Jump off the dyson ship before it goes down and you're left without a life preserver.  TOM did.  Joined back in with the TACONY ranks.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote: CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

The more you talk the more you expose and confirm the pathetic underbelly of the two-faced con men.  Glad to see you finally confirm many Dyson-dealers are two-faced and crooks.  It’s amusing to hear how these do-nothin’s laugh at those who get things done.  If I want a lesson in underachieving, I’ll be sure to approach the lying, two-faced, do-nothin *independents.


DiB

*The crooked independents muddy/potentially muddy the waters for the good independents.

DIB:

You're living in a dyson fantasy land following your leader the piper Sir James.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

Call it anything you want.  It sure is a better choice than taking the advise from rock-throwers that have little to no impact on greater society.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB,

I been following this debate for a bit but I can't quite agree.

Most independent purveyors of vacuums are in just the about the same boat these days as the guy who owns the deli across the street or the man who runs the laundry up the block. They are all doing the best they can to to keep their heads above water.

Personally, I have seldom had problems with indie vac dealers save for the occasion now and then when our "brand religion" may not match up. The public is not easily gulled, at least not for long. If they don't get what they need one place, they do go elsewhere. Thus, the nudniks in the vac business and industry really only succeed for a time.

As for Dyson's innovations, it's still got a long, long way to go. Despite the obvious final result, thorough vacuuming is still as labor intensive and time consuming as hauling out a broom and dustpan. This remains so no matter the brand of choice. At this point in time real innovation would the vacuum cleaner that does significantly more with significantly less passes. That, namely a single-pass machine, hasn't happened yet. Dyson hasn't done it, Hoover hasn't done it, nor Oreck, nor Miele, nor Electrolux, nor Bosch and the myriad brands on the market. The only exception, innovatively speaking, is Roomba which to me is still more a nice idea than a thoroughly effective cleaning device.

Back in the the day when Pop went to work and Mom held down the home front, "innovations" were good fodder for possible buyers. A little chrome and a short sci-fi tale about cyclones and rainstorms on a leash went a long way. But, now we're living in a new day.

Now, Mom and Pop are both working and coming home tired. More and more young people are living on their own either alone in postage stamp size apartments or in communal groups of ten per flat. Whatever the call, those able to work are working hard and looking for as much playtime as possible too. Automatic clothes washers, dishwashers and the microwave oven have saved our bacon timewise in some ways but vacuuming is still the short end of the stick.

The world doesn't need to be fed wondrous visions of cyclonics nor be inundated with promises of dust capture down to the atom. All that's required is a vacuum that's quickest and best at getting the job done well so that it can be chucked back into a closet allowing the user to get on with life.

Dyson hasn't solved that problem yet. AND please don't again try to impress upon me how a canister vacuum with thimble-size dust capacity and a nine-inch power nozzle or an upright that feels like you're pushing a truck when set to clean low-pile carpet is supposed to be innovation.

Venson

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

I call them as I see them.  There is a valid reason that the vacuum cleaner store owners and operators [the backbone of the vacuum industry in the USA, not the supposed innovators with 475 paid engineers who charge luxury prices for nothing more than average with a sugar coated marketed as in hype] are called indies as in independents.  They don't cotton and/or are beholden to any one brand.  They pck and choose the best for their clientele for the price. They are not puppets on a string manipulated by a pied piper called James like you are here. 

Your theory about a huge nationwide independent vacuum store owner/operator conspiracy against dyson and James is a hoax, a con, just like many of the dyson product claims.  It's the pied piper's calling to keep you in tow.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

Hello Venson:

I agree with your entire post.  Excerpted this to add:  Or a vacuum that sits on a ball tried in an upright and canister by GE years [read decades] ago and faded into oblivion.  Just like DIB's fave brand ball, which BTW he paid $300 for a DC15 ball several years ago on clearance from BEST BUY.  It's been superceded by a DC18 and DC24/25 ball.  Has he purchased the latest and greatest ball that he raves here so much about.  No.  Let alone would he do so for MSRP.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Then why dont you visit your local dealers and see whats really going on [welcome to the real world] Y ou might just learn a thing or two. Of course you will getting an earfull about your beloved Dyson and the non vacuum cleaner co that he really is .think you could handle it D.I.B.

Ask your buddy Chris how many he got stuck with?

Please report back with your findings.We will be eagerly waiting.

regards

MOLE

Mole,

It is baffling to me how you rock-throwing-at-Dyson independents believe the center of the universe begins at independent vacuum dealerships.  My guess is, no more than 3%-5% of all U.S. consumer vacuums sold here sell thru an independent.

You tell me...  why all the Dyson whining.  I know for a fact that Dyson’s sell well at dealers if a dealer chooses to put some thought into it and resolves not making the margins like their other [hyped] vacuums.

As for the excess inventory...  sell it off and sell only Dyson’s folks want.  If given a chance, the neighboring folks would love to support their local retailers and if treated right, then they tell their neighbors.  Dyson is not the problem, the lack of a hefty margin and lack of bag and belt replacement buys are.  Additionally, it is my understanding independents can match price (bundle) like big box.


DIB