Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HS:

The oustanding sales of HOOVER Fusion [a TTI sourced bagless upright] at Wal*Mart stores was instrumental for dropping dyson's DC07 Original for several years.  Least I remind you it is still going strong after several generations of newer and better models.  Z is still in the HOOVER TTI line up.  How many discontinued dysons still are?  BTW how many new dysons have you added to your household.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

There you go again with your dyson colored glasses.  At least you have the honesty to admit that dyson sales are tanking in Las Vegas and the metro Washington DC area.  May I add ORECK and HOOVER are going great guns from the reports I receive.  Watch the sales and ads nationwide HS.  What vacuum makes and models are always in the retailers' pages?Not high priced dysons.  Waste of advertising money.  Unless like BEST BUY stores recently offering a $100 off the latest and greatest dyson DC28 for $600 [sale price $509] within the same month of launch.  Why?  To generate some sales. 

No my dear dyson friend:  Dyson sales are tanking globally not just in one or two cities in the USA.  You and your dyson twin are in denial.  The dyson party's over.  Dyson needs to revamp and revise its prices and products, get some favorable sales exposure from the experts including the indies, and hope the global economy recovers.  If not, it's sayonara on the old metal guitar for your fave company.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You have stated more than once that pricing was the issue between WM and Dyson.  Fusion is not going strong.  Most all Hoovers are in their lineup.  If anything this had more to do with their downfall than profitability.  Last I heard the Z was going for $50 and still not selling.

How many Hoovers have you added since discovering Oreck?  No need to keep inferior models like Hoover (if the newer are better).  I liked the DC07 and you know that I have not been positive about its replacements.

CarmineD wrote:
What I notice in the ads is low end product to draw customers.  Hoover has always been on sale which makes me wonder what retail should actually be.  Right, no need to advertise if you are selling good.  Tom Oreck reports differently than you.  Of course he probably never look at sales in NV and DC since you watch thes for him.

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE

i ask this.....whats the big deal about a steering ball?  its vacuum not a porsche.  Y not take the dc7, fix the flaws , add the ddm with a larger impeller.

....keep the price under $300......youll  have a  vacuum with some credibility that will be taken seriously and not as a niche vac nobody wants to touch.

Dump the rest of the line-up of uprights...@ that sorry handheld  .reprice the can.....at or below $200....and dyson stays in the game.

Tempo is a simple vacuum that has the same quality as the dyson.....yet will outperform all dysons at the low low low price of under $100....thats all that matters.

its an issue that dyson cannot and will not address...because he cant. ...400+ engrs. and they cant come up with an upright to meet or beat a  Tempo?

guess  thats ..high end ennovation at work...sometimes simple just works better.

HARDSELL wrote:

Since you ask HS, within the last year I purchased 2 more NEW HOOVER TEMPO's, 2 more NEW HOOVER SLIDERS [I think I own the record for the most of these ever purchased by a single buyer], another HOOVER S1351 cann and a TTI/DIRT DEVIL Kruz [does that count?].  Most of which I donated/gifted away.  BTW, in the last year I also bought another new XL Classic and gifted away to a family member [making a total of 5 new ORECK's since April 2007].  This most recent one went to a niece with two boys ages 8 and 10.  They assist their Mom with the vacuuming using the ORECK.  They love it!  And as you know, I'm on a list for a new Steam It from ORECK and I have plans to parlay the purchase with the Silver Series ORECK.  Very soon I hope.

Dave doesn't have to worry about sales in LV.  I do a good job keeping the ORECK sales trend up in LV.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Agree 'turtle1.'  475 engineers and a price tag of $500 plus and dyson can't design and market a vacuum that's has parity with an $80 HOOVER TEMPO.  Eye on the prize!  Dyson and the twins just don't get it!

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

I thought you was a vacuum guru.  If handling is unimportant why bother with an Oreck electric broom.  Weight is the only sell point and it is directed at the weak and old.  After all you may as well use a semi as a Porsche for vacuuming.

Since you work at a vac shop I would like to ask a simple question.  Where does the profit come from.  I am talking about the most profit that keeps the shop open.  1. New vac sales. 2. Supplies (bags, belts, etc.) 3. vac repairs.

HARDSELL wrote:

Guru...not me ..i say what i gotta say. my outlook/what ive seen  or opinion...never claimed to know all....your words...many at that.

get over the fact that people arent going to agree with you.....see what you see. we all have our views ,'  this is a fun place to debate..a getaway.

dont need a ball.....wheels do a great job....why complicate it/add cost.  its not an obsticle course ...

marketed/ directed at our seniors...yet bought by millions of non seniors who know the name and what it stands for...it does what its supposed

to do....and does it for 15+ yrs at a time. @$199.00 ...your simple answer= repairs./service

hardsell...if i agree with you ..isay so....when your right..isay so ...ask a question i can answer-  ill answer honestly...i have no reason to lie or boast.

if i dont know something- i say i dont......i enjoy these debates with you...between all of us and will continue to stand my ground on my views...and what i like.

but i also welcome other peoples insight and opinions...i love and enjoy what i do for a living so i make it a point to know as much as i can...as  i will  have my own vac shop in time.  but still alot to learn before i do.

retardturtle1 wrote:

This would be a very dull forum without discussions.  I have no problem with anyone who does not agree.  If Carmine agreed with me all the time I would likely leave the forum.  Guess I am here for awhile. I do have a problem with those who tell half truths or only half the story just to prove their point.  I have to say that you are forthright and I do not think that you lie.  I just do not agree with all tha you say.  Often I think that your thinking is swayed by Carmine.

Sure you do not need  a ball.  Also the average home does not need a feather weight,  Push a Kirby for awhile and you will soon appreciate a vacuum that handles well althought it is not absolutely necessary.  I think the Kirby does an excellent cleaning job but is a pain in the rear to navigate around the house.  The reviews that I read about Oreck certainly are a mixed bag (no pun intended).  They seem to have their share of service problems and clogs.  15 years service is not so good if you are not deep cleaning your carpet.

You and other independents criticize Dyson quality.  Yet all make their living doing service and repairs.  Most also do not work on Dysons.  Isn't it odd that those who do not sell or repair Dyson make a comfortable living repairing those brands that they taut as being so great in quality?