Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

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Hello 'turtle1"

I've told DIB more times than I care to remember here that's it's not who comes to market first in the vacuum industry that wins the prize.  It's who copies the best and sells for less.  Innovative technology isn't worth anything unless you can market it to the masses at an affordable price: ie: color TV's, cell phones, computers, etc.  Dyson has demonstrated time and time again that for a host of reasons it can't do this in the vacuum industry /market in the USA.  Other vacuum brands are doing it now [copying] and selling for less and squeezing dyson out.  Just as you say.  End of dyson story. 

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

this was used as an example ..as to the comp. closing in on dyson '' and the fact that all are offering what dyson does at a far lower price.

and as said before....its an opinion. im aware of sharks rep in the vac industry...and feel that the two are getting closer in terms of quality...again an opinion

a point of view. ...and its the names that were tossed about that are the reason why dyson is steadly slipping and why dyson wont ever be anything more than a niche product at  best....dyson foot the bill and all came in and made it better at a lower price....it is what it is..plain and simple.

i do agree with you on shark vacs....to a point.....ive seen some that wont die and work great...they make a good 8.5 amp hand vac for $25 that will devestate a dyson hand vac with no problem ...again at a fraction of the cost.   i give credit where credit is do....the dc7 was the best dyson made  ...the ddm is a great motor  in terms  of technology.....but soon the compitition will take that motor and make it better....my view

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

Regarding the Dyson Ball (best steerable upright on the planet), Dyson sits alone and enjoys a U.S. monopoly on steering uprights and profits.  He has no competition, he owns the upright steering segment (a segment he created).

The Prize?  Who exactly is winning or going to when this “prize”.  In your professional and unbiased opinion or knowledge, what manufacturer/s exactly is winning or going to win this “prize”?


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

You're adroit at avoiding questions and asking your own to divert the issues/subject matter.  I asked you of what value is a $500 plus innovative technological product that fails its users within months of purchase.  I'm specifically referring to a DC25 with defective motor wiring harness which THE AUTHORIZED DYSON DEALER OF NORTH LAS VEGAS refuses to sell.  If you answer my question you will have the answer to your question.  Eye on the prize, my friend!

WRT to 2008 and 2009 vacuum sales, the two worse years for vacuum sales in the industry in decades, it has been said by me, and others, that the clear winners, industry leaders, and prize getters [for product sales] are ORECK and TTI/HOOVER.  For the latter I would also add that Consumer Reports has declared HOOVER the "leading brand seller" AND rated 7 of HOOVER's uprights in its top 20 uprights.  Including the number ONE position.  Eye on the prize! 

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1"

I would add to your opinions about Shark products that the consumer editor/writer of the Wall Street Journal on two separate occasions rated the Shark held held vacuum for $40 and Steam Mop for $80 as the top performers in their class among a filed of competitors.  I posted these reported findings from the articles on this page at the time and some time ago probably before your tenure.  Eye on the prize!

Carmine D.

PS 'turtle1':  I agree with you.  Dyson is a niche seller and of late is struggling unsuccessfully to keep its market share of sales year over year even in the UK.  It's less expensive [read more affordable] and often times better performing bagged/bagless vacuum products of the competition are gradually eroding dyson's once prominent sales position.  Which by the way was constantly blasted to the vacuum industry by dyson and its supporters.  Not to mention that the global meltdown in consumer buying and confidence has sounded a solemn death knell for the over priced, over hyped, over hawked 'd' brand.  If it doesn't reinvent itself, win favor with its products among industry watchers, and slash prices, dyson will go the same route as halo.

Carmine D

DysonInventsBig wrote:

What good is a steerable $400/$500 plus product/niche market if the darn thing doesn't perform after a few months and/or get under furniture and beds?  Another question that will go unanswered.

Innovation is highly overrated, especially in a down global economy.  Reference: HALO!!!  $70 BISSELL bagged/bagless Clearviews, $199 ORECK uprights and $80 HOOVER TEMPO vacuums sell well and always in good times and bad.  AND they perform better than your steerables for much less.

Carmine D.

BTW DIB would you care to share your historical observations about halo and its web page with us again for the record!

What were your exact words:  The high tech web page will sell MILLIONS!  Was that it?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  What happened to halo?  Bought by a competitor you like to bash here for a bargain basement price less than a year after you made your infamous prediction!  Now what was that you were saying about dyson products?  Mainstream?  Top seller?  Where?  Not even in your or HS houshold!  With loyal customers like you, no wonder dyson is missing in action on 2008 financial comments/reports.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Sounds like you when you said the Hoover Fusion and "z" would be the down fall of Dyson.  It didn't happen.Hoover went busted and Dyson is surviving.

CarmineD wrote:

Do you honestly think that the vac industry sales in any city that you live in is indicative of what is hapening nationally?  What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.  Low Dyson sales there is not indicitave of their survival or failure.  Same as where you moved from.

Hoover (per you) was going great when it went busted a couple years back.