Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Story here:  http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/40463852.html

HS:

Both TTI/HOOVER and ORECK beat sales numbers of their competitors for 2008 and so far in 2009.  Even Consumer Reports made that claim for HOOVER/TTI: Leading brand seeller.  That makes them both have stellar years.  The leaders are always the winners.  ORECK and TTI/HOOVER are the winners.

Carmine D.

So would the dyson twins [HS/DIB] like to tell us which new dyson models they have purchased and used in their own homes so far this year? 

• The newest full size ball for $500?
• The lightweight ball for $400? 
• The midget DC22 cann with digital motor for $700 and 7 inch cleaning swath?  Remember the dealer dyson that premiered at the VDTA in Feb 2009 and then disappeared!  Only to show up in a few big box retailers.
• One of the latest handhelds like the DC30/31 for $250-$275 that runs for 10 minutes [in the slow mode and 5 in high] on a charge? 
• The DC27, a regurgitated DC17 with a few extra more tools, for $479.  Launched at Sam's Club in October 2008.  How many customer reviews to date?  5 so far in 8 months.  Wow!  That's a real success/sales winner.
• DC28 for $600?  Your fave company finally realized that some US homes with a variety of rugs/carpets actually do require a manual height adjustment.  475 dyson engineers and almost 8 years later of selling/telling the US vacuum public a self-adjusting brush head nozzle is the best for them and Sir James gets an epiphany.  What industry innovation:  A manual rug height adjustment!  Of course like all things dyson it comes with a huge price.

You bought so many that you needed a dyson ball barrow to take them home in!  Another innovative dyson advance that disappeared into oblivion, like the contra rotating washers and air blade hand dryers.  But alas all is not lost.  If some maker decides to steal the so much in demand product patents, Sir James and his merry band of high paid lawyers can sue.  That's one way to make money when the products don't sell in the market.  Of course the lawyers get most if not all of the proceeds in retainers and legal fees!  Now that's innovation. Full employment for the surplus supply of US lawyers! 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HI CARMINE

Well i see youve been busy  today....ruffled some feathers i see.   But you forgot to mention high end....when speaking of the dysons.

 to justify his  massively  overpriced vacuums that are continuously beat year after year by the under $100 HOOVERS....same quality or better, better performer. and at a far lower price....and so what if he did this or that first...some saw /capitalized on his errors and are making the technology better and applying it to what they have....been going on in the auto industry for years.  Dyson foots the bill...comp. makes what he has better...and at a far-far lower price..all is fair in love and war...so they are gonna have to get over it ...deal with it....SHARKnow has a new vacuum ..direct comp and performance as dyson....under $200..w/ same quality and warr. ...so how do all the copycats make the same vac  with same perf- life- features....yet at a far lower price. Dyson could only wish to have the sucess and lifespan of the orecks....simple design  that works year aft year...durability beyond most all others...and at  $199......WHY COMPLICATE  IT .... dyson...they are niche vac at best for a few...but an industry leader they are not nor will ever be....nobody within a 100 mi  will touch/service  one or take as trade in discount.....thrift stores are full of them...pawn shops wont take them  ..if there are so many dyson lovers then get together and send in your address to them as a nation wide service center so all can have a place to send them ....this way dyson will quit  sendg  DYSON CUSTOMERS  to those  shops that  have already called them and asked them to stop sending  their  DYSON  problems...become a dyson network....its freedom of choice..if shops dont want anything to do with dysons......thats freedom of choice...freedom of opinion

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Either your facts are skewed and/or you have a vivid imagination for making up tales completely unrelated to my posts.

In the past, I noted here in LV that there are two independent  vacuum cleaner store owners and operators [not counting ORECK] with dyson related work.  Both these stores deal in all makes and models.  One is an authorized dyson dealer and has been for awhile.  He is THE AUTHORIZED DYSON DEALER for North Las Vegas.  One is not a dyson dealer and has no plans to be.  Both sell dysons only if specifically requested and then with reservations.  One sells just used dysons [from trades and unclaimed repairs].  One sells new and used dysons.  Both are also authorized sales and service dealers for most other vacuum brands: RICCAR, SIMPLICITY, BOSCH, PANASONIC, MIELE etc. 

The non-dyson dealer has been inundated with dyson repairs both in and out of warranty.  He has found that many of the dyson repairs go undone/unclaimed due to the high costs of dyson parts and service.  He asked me if I would be interested in a part time job repairing/refurbing these dysons.  He is by the way a friend of my son-in-law and daughter.  They go to the same Church and are members of the same ward.  He is a practicing Mormon in good standing as are my SIL and daughter.  I turned him down on several occasions for fear that the part time job would end in a full time job. 

The other is a full fledged dyson dealer, tho as I explained he refuses to sell anymore new DC25 models because of the defective motor wiring harnesses.  I don't know what his religion is.  I mentioned here that in a recent visit to his store there were at least 6 or more DC07 and DC14 models in need of repairs for clutch related problems.  He was waiting for the okays on these from the customers before doing the work.  He opined that he would not be surprised if he did not get the okays and instead the customers traded in for other brands.  In which case he would salvage the dysons for parts and/or rebuild and sell as used to customers who insist on buying.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:
I think this is a bit of a stretch. We throw out more Shark vacuums  than any other unit we come across and we also hear the most complaints about their customer service. There is no comparison between the quality of it and the quality of a Dyson, Eureka, Hoover or whatever other brand name you can toss about.  Sharks warranty also requires that the user pay the shipping costs.  Nice money maker for the company.

Dusty

PS for DIB from my previous post:

The ORECK stores here in LV repair and sell parts for most other brands EXCEPT dysons.  When customers come in/call about dyson parts and repairs, the ORECK stores here in LV direct them to dyson.  End of story.

I HAVE SAID HERE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS IF I WERE STILL IN THE VACUUM BUSINESS TODAY I WOULD PROBABLY CARRY THE DYSON LINE JUST TO GET THE PARTS AND WARRANTY WORK. 

I can only opine that from my hypothetical statement you fabricated your version of the story you posted as a fact of statement I made.  If I'm wrong and you have my post as evidence, please correct me here and post it so I can/will apologize to you.

Carmine D.

ANOTHER PS FOR DIB:

As far as nailing dysons down to floor, I don't know where you got that but certainly not from me.  Dysons don't need to be nailed to the floor not to move.  They sit on shelves and in warehouses unsold gathering dust due to their own inertia:  Too high priced for the lackluster performance.  Especially in the worse global economic tsunami since the Great Depression.

Carmine D.

Hello 'turtle1"

I've told DIB more times than I care to remember here that's it's not who comes to market first in the vacuum industry that wins the prize.  It's who copies the best and sells for less.  Innovative technology isn't worth anything unless you can market it to the masses at an affordable price: ie: color TV's, cell phones, computers, etc.  Dyson has demonstrated time and time again that for a host of reasons it can't do this in the vacuum industry /market in the USA.  Other vacuum brands are doing it now [copying] and selling for less and squeezing dyson out.  Just as you say.  End of dyson story. 

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

this was used as an example ..as to the comp. closing in on dyson '' and the fact that all are offering what dyson does at a far lower price.

and as said before....its an opinion. im aware of sharks rep in the vac industry...and feel that the two are getting closer in terms of quality...again an opinion

a point of view. ...and its the names that were tossed about that are the reason why dyson is steadly slipping and why dyson wont ever be anything more than a niche product at  best....dyson foot the bill and all came in and made it better at a lower price....it is what it is..plain and simple.

i do agree with you on shark vacs....to a point.....ive seen some that wont die and work great...they make a good 8.5 amp hand vac for $25 that will devestate a dyson hand vac with no problem ...again at a fraction of the cost.   i give credit where credit is do....the dc7 was the best dyson made  ...the ddm is a great motor  in terms  of technology.....but soon the compitition will take that motor and make it better....my view

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

Regarding the Dyson Ball (best steerable upright on the planet), Dyson sits alone and enjoys a U.S. monopoly on steering uprights and profits.  He has no competition, he owns the upright steering segment (a segment he created).

The Prize?  Who exactly is winning or going to when this “prize”.  In your professional and unbiased opinion or knowledge, what manufacturer/s exactly is winning or going to win this “prize”?


DIB