Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

CarmineD wrote:
Hiya Carmine,

I like it that President Obama -- without much fuss, fanfare or complaint -- has rolled up his sleeves and is at least trying to dig us out of the mess his predecessor and the former crew left for not only him but the country to deal with.

However, I accept the stimulus package thing may not be all it's cracked up to be in some ways. I was listening to a radio program yesterday where it was claimed that lots of states are using a substantial part of that money to repair roadways. This is just an instance but per the commentator on the air, road repair as opposed to making new roads generates substantially less jobs.

I had to wonder at this as last night, on my way home from the Delaware Water Gap, my trip was continually slowed down by road work efforts in Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York.

There was lots and lots of heavy-duty machinery and lighting gear but not an astounding number of actuals workers at the sites I passed. I would also think, computer oriented as we are, that not a lot of internal staffing is required to handle reports, work orders, payroll other necessaries. If that is correct, even as much as I'd like the front struts and rear shocks on my old beater to be saved, then yeah -- it's a new day but the same old you know what.

As with the reprimands that went to corporations who used bailout money to provide bonuses, states may need a good talking to as wells over best use of stimulus funds. How the like should be put I can't say especially since some of that money may well be covering the extension I'm getting on my unemployment benefits one day due the jobs it hasn't yet helped to develop or return.

That said and getting back to vacuum cleaners . . .

No jobs -- no money. That is why I remain highly skeptical of any manufacturer's effort in producing less than practical product these days. Good times or bad, appliance and electronic devices in the home are going to break down. However, in hard times the first plan of action is repair, if possible. If not we will replace them with items new or used but either way replacement or repair only happen in accordance with our financial wherewithall to do so. You can't spend what you don't have. Money being a main issue, it usual to do that which is the most easily affordable and also most practical. If push comes to shove, I'll be cleaning out my car with a whisk broom.

Still too high but the best prices on the new Dyson doo-dads would have been $79.95 to $89.995. If any company these days can SUCCESSFULLY peddle non-necessities at noosebleed-high price Dyson is surely going to have to prove this one for me. If it succeds, I only ask to be informed who's buying them. I'd like to start making new friends.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine
But then again dyson  may survive.......we must not forget about  the ''DYSON ELITE''......a '' niche '' group of  dedicated  and loyal supporters....

 to  SIR JAMES and his '' niche ''vacuum ....but never mind the fact that some of those  '' DYSON ELITE '' dont own a dyson..never baught a dyson

or wont buy a dyson....hmmm.... yeah  thats got  '' LOYALTY ''  written all over it.....now with loyalty like that ,,how can dyson go wrong.

retardturtle1 wrote:
Let's be honest. Dyson has a right to exist the same as any other manufacturer. My complaint most times has to do with practicality, performance and price not only by way of Dyson which in the end is far less expensive than Miele, Bosch, Rainbow, Kirby, FQ, Miracle Mate and the Schoettler machines. So far none them are out of business either.

A person has the right to whatever brand or model vacuum strikes his or her fancy. However, if asked for a recommendation I will not lean on hype.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

James was totally unprepared for the economic conditions existing in the world today.  The dyson business model, sales thru big box stores, which are suffering from the worse consumer buying recession since the Great Depression, is a very shakey sales venue right now.  The other brands you site have been tried and tested in the past and survived well.  Why?  Good business models to weather all economic conditions.  MIELE and BOSCH brands have the added benefits of  a diverse range of household appliances as well as the German engineering to boot.  James' business model puts the fate of the bulk of dysons' sales into the hands of third party big box retailers.  Same with dyson parts and repairs which rely on third party independent vacuum store owners and operators.  In hard times, these third party concerns are more concerned with their own survival and not that of a unrelated brand for which they have no vested interest in survival.

Carmine D. 

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

As a general rule customers loyal to a brand account for less than 10 percent of the brand's sales.  In fact, most companies will say flat out that that their loyal customers are not their bread butter.  This is true to form here where we hear loyal dyson buyers who have not purchased a new dyson since the DC07, or bought a DC15 from BEST BUY for $300 vice the $600 MSRP.  How many have sprung for a newer ball models?  Or a DDM model?  Or a DC28?   Why?  Performance concerns?  Prices too high?  Hard times don't allow the luxury of a new vacuum when the old is working okay?  All the above.  Time is ticking on dyson.  James needs to move quickly to reinvent the company and pricing its products.  Else doom and gloom for the ONE  billionaire dollar Brit [down from $2 B in 2006].

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

i totally agree....and believe in freedom of choice.  never said  otherwise. ...but if you critisize all who dont have a dyson

or have a different outlook as you about a dyson  then at least own one.  just as i love riccar and panasonic, someone else may not.

and thats fine....i respect that . i also feel the other units you mentioned are of outstanding quality .build .performance .matierials .engineering...

all true high end units. that will outlast most if not all. but the price of those units is not  something id pay....no matter what.

when a customer asks my opinion..i give it. ..but its an honest one.  if i dont know much about a certain brand...then i say so.

i sell within their budget and stand by that sale.....i recommend what i know and feel to be the best choice for their needs.

i totally respect your view...and what  you have to say...and always will ...i do understand all your points ....but as ive said before''  i give dyson credit where credit is do.

but high end.....it is not....  but thats just my opinion.

Hello Venson, 'turtle1'

Dyson will survive but not as the dominant bagless vacuum product that many forecasted and predicted years ago when dyson came on the USA scene.  I recall dyson forum shills/supporters heralding dyson's rise to prominence over all other brands in the USA JUST AS IT DID IN THE UK.  These dyson advocates told us the vacuum consumers in the USA was no different than the UK.  In the last 7 plus years we may have learned that the UK vacuum consumers are no different than those in the USA.  Dyson is carving out a niche market at best and needs to be content with that status in the industry.  Not to impugn that achievement.  It's an accomplishment.  Just not quite on the same scale as dyson expected.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

i guess james will have to be content  with 1 billion...guess it beats being a millionaire..   yes i agree dyson will wedge himself into a small corner of the market.

and if his presence keeps all the comp on thier toes..all the better i say.  keeps things fresh.... From what i have seen and heard from customers

was that the dc7 was their favorite....as was it the dyson that had been given to me...and gave away. all others who bought the models after..disliked them.

complained..or just bought something else...no love.   I wish i knew more about the european market...it seems as if the uk is the place to be for some cool looking vacs.

i like dyson..the inventor....i like a few of his ideas...and i hope to see the ddm take off and   do all james said it would do ....id love to see the vac industry go to all digital hi power motors....dysons idea ? yes.      But without a doubt  his compitition will make a far more powerful version of it.....and top the charts as usual,

Hi 'turtle1'

According to Forbes magazine:  James was worth $2 B in 2006 [probably his best year for profitability]; $1.7 B in 2007 [the recession set in the last quarter of 2007], and $1.2 B in 2008 [officially th recession date is January 2008 and still].  Do you see which way the trend is going for dyson?  James may be in the millionaire class now in 2009.  Beyond?  Who knows?  Still not bad for him.  However, the wealth editor of the Forbes magazine who tracks and publishes the yearly list of the world's richest, says on record that the billionaires who fall are the ones who fall the hardest.   They get use to the perks and celebrity treatment.  When that goes away, they don't adjust very well. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

yeah i can see that...how a change like that can totally mess up  your chi....your happy place.

kinda like when my sweet  wife and i were dating and she'd come over and cook nice dinners all the time....now this is heaven id say...my hard workig man needs a good dinner  she'd say.

then oneday we got married.......... and now the cashiers at mcdonalds know us by name....so i myself havent ajusted very well either. hahaha