Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1"

For all the reasons you mentioned, dyson vacuums can survive in big box stores only as a niche seller in the USA.  For those consumers who want a higher price bagless vacuum, come what may, and are willing to pay a slight premium, not a typical dyson premium, for the bagless feature.  Of course, once dyson lowers his product prices to the current big box store levels he will have to downsize his work force and operations.  The excess costs are bleeding dyson cash.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

Hello Venson:

You posted several days ago and I excerpted this part.  The unemployment claims this past week are close to 7 MILLION.  Warren Buffett and a group of business leaders met this past week in Idaho as part of a yearly event.  WB was interviewed on the state of the economy and how well President Obama is steering the ship through the troubled financial waters.  WB was asked about the unemployment rate.  WB said it will go higher.  When pressed on a figure he refused to say.  When pressed further if it could go to 11 percent, WB said while he is not predicting it, yes it will.  And possibly higher.  Asked what President and Congress can do, WB said a second stumulus package including another round of payments to the public.  Will it happen?  Well, WB is called the Oracle of Omaha!

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

with all that downsizing across the board....that also includes his advertising...forcing dysons to put up or shut up.

that niche market is getting smaller....because many still remember  the dyson expierence.

look at his quality and performance  of...past , present  designs for all models...including prices. now imagine what  kind of quality and performance

 the consumer /niche market  is going to get when he lowers those prices to bbx store level....to date he has yet to produce a vacuum on any level

that can compete with his direct compitition. ..and thats at dysons '' HIGH END''status....i do believe his compitition is eagerly awaiting his arrival.

reguardless of what dyson makes or produces in this new price segment ...i see a HOOVER TEMPO feasting on it ....just like before..

i among many others would recomend the sale of a tempo or used oreck over a new dyson every time .....

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retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

I agree and added emphasis to your concluding statement which seals dyson's fate [IF IT SURVIVES the current economic tsunami in the USA] as a niche product.  HS and others here have heard me predict the dyson brand as a niche product in the USA.  No difference from a halo.  I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see dyson downsize mainstay operations to the UK and Europe with aminor presence in several USA big box retailers. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hiya Carmine,

I like it that President Obama -- without much fuss, fanfare or complaint -- has rolled up his sleeves and is at least trying to dig us out of the mess his predecessor and the former crew left for not only him but the country to deal with.

However, I accept the stimulus package thing may not be all it's cracked up to be in some ways. I was listening to a radio program yesterday where it was claimed that lots of states are using a substantial part of that money to repair roadways. This is just an instance but per the commentator on the air, road repair as opposed to making new roads generates substantially less jobs.

I had to wonder at this as last night, on my way home from the Delaware Water Gap, my trip was continually slowed down by road work efforts in Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York.

There was lots and lots of heavy-duty machinery and lighting gear but not an astounding number of actuals workers at the sites I passed. I would also think, computer oriented as we are, that not a lot of internal staffing is required to handle reports, work orders, payroll other necessaries. If that is correct, even as much as I'd like the front struts and rear shocks on my old beater to be saved, then yeah -- it's a new day but the same old you know what.

As with the reprimands that went to corporations who used bailout money to provide bonuses, states may need a good talking to as wells over best use of stimulus funds. How the like should be put I can't say especially since some of that money may well be covering the extension I'm getting on my unemployment benefits one day due the jobs it hasn't yet helped to develop or return.

That said and getting back to vacuum cleaners . . .

No jobs -- no money. That is why I remain highly skeptical of any manufacturer's effort in producing less than practical product these days. Good times or bad, appliance and electronic devices in the home are going to break down. However, in hard times the first plan of action is repair, if possible. If not we will replace them with items new or used but either way replacement or repair only happen in accordance with our financial wherewithall to do so. You can't spend what you don't have. Money being a main issue, it usual to do that which is the most easily affordable and also most practical. If push comes to shove, I'll be cleaning out my car with a whisk broom.

Still too high but the best prices on the new Dyson doo-dads would have been $79.95 to $89.995. If any company these days can SUCCESSFULLY peddle non-necessities at noosebleed-high price Dyson is surely going to have to prove this one for me. If it succeds, I only ask to be informed who's buying them. I'd like to start making new friends.

Venson

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine
But then again dyson  may survive.......we must not forget about  the ''DYSON ELITE''......a '' niche '' group of  dedicated  and loyal supporters....

 to  SIR JAMES and his '' niche ''vacuum ....but never mind the fact that some of those  '' DYSON ELITE '' dont own a dyson..never baught a dyson

or wont buy a dyson....hmmm.... yeah  thats got  '' LOYALTY ''  written all over it.....now with loyalty like that ,,how can dyson go wrong.

retardturtle1 wrote:
Let's be honest. Dyson has a right to exist the same as any other manufacturer. My complaint most times has to do with practicality, performance and price not only by way of Dyson which in the end is far less expensive than Miele, Bosch, Rainbow, Kirby, FQ, Miracle Mate and the Schoettler machines. So far none them are out of business either.

A person has the right to whatever brand or model vacuum strikes his or her fancy. However, if asked for a recommendation I will not lean on hype.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

James was totally unprepared for the economic conditions existing in the world today.  The dyson business model, sales thru big box stores, which are suffering from the worse consumer buying recession since the Great Depression, is a very shakey sales venue right now.  The other brands you site have been tried and tested in the past and survived well.  Why?  Good business models to weather all economic conditions.  MIELE and BOSCH brands have the added benefits of  a diverse range of household appliances as well as the German engineering to boot.  James' business model puts the fate of the bulk of dysons' sales into the hands of third party big box retailers.  Same with dyson parts and repairs which rely on third party independent vacuum store owners and operators.  In hard times, these third party concerns are more concerned with their own survival and not that of a unrelated brand for which they have no vested interest in survival.

Carmine D. 

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

As a general rule customers loyal to a brand account for less than 10 percent of the brand's sales.  In fact, most companies will say flat out that that their loyal customers are not their bread butter.  This is true to form here where we hear loyal dyson buyers who have not purchased a new dyson since the DC07, or bought a DC15 from BEST BUY for $300 vice the $600 MSRP.  How many have sprung for a newer ball models?  Or a DDM model?  Or a DC28?   Why?  Performance concerns?  Prices too high?  Hard times don't allow the luxury of a new vacuum when the old is working okay?  All the above.  Time is ticking on dyson.  James needs to move quickly to reinvent the company and pricing its products.  Else doom and gloom for the ONE  billionaire dollar Brit [down from $2 B in 2006].

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

i totally agree....and believe in freedom of choice.  never said  otherwise. ...but if you critisize all who dont have a dyson

or have a different outlook as you about a dyson  then at least own one.  just as i love riccar and panasonic, someone else may not.

and thats fine....i respect that . i also feel the other units you mentioned are of outstanding quality .build .performance .matierials .engineering...

all true high end units. that will outlast most if not all. but the price of those units is not  something id pay....no matter what.

when a customer asks my opinion..i give it. ..but its an honest one.  if i dont know much about a certain brand...then i say so.

i sell within their budget and stand by that sale.....i recommend what i know and feel to be the best choice for their needs.

i totally respect your view...and what  you have to say...and always will ...i do understand all your points ....but as ive said before''  i give dyson credit where credit is do.

but high end.....it is not....  but thats just my opinion.