Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

Bucks03, Turtle1, MOLE, Venson et al here:

The latest DC30 and 31 epitomize James' philosophy for vacuum products and sales.  James thought [correctly for awhile] that MANY of the big box store shoppers would gladly pay higher and higher prices for vacuums under the slick marketing veil of innovation.  Regardless of the actual performance of the vacuum products [which for dyson in the USA has always been fair to middlin at best].  James was right for a little while.  People were lulled into the false belief that the higher and higher  prices automatically meant better performance.  Wrong!  Independent vacuum store owners and operators never bought into the hype.  MOLE and turtle1 knew the truth.  Big box retail stores did not.  Why?  What do they know from vacuums?  Besides, they enjoyed riding the dyson gravy train.  That's changed.  With time, dyson buyers learned otherwise.  High prices, hype, hawking, and average performance at best.  James/dyson orchestrated an excellent ponzi scheme for vacuum buyers.  Whether intention or not.  Dyson tried the approach with less success for hand dryers and washers too.  Works well for vacuums [$500 plus just the right price that credit card buyers will spring for without concern] when times are very good, as Venson cogently says.  When economic times tank, especially as they have globally over the last 18-24 months and still the scheme falls apart.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

AMEN......to that.        so i wonder when and at what point does dyson bring in  TONY ROBBINS...

to convince or make his SUPPORTERS  [ actual dyson buyers ]  believe that  the  TITANIC  really isnt sinking.....that its all in their head.

retardturtle1 wrote:

No wonder you fall for all the hype about Hoovers, Oreck and others.  The Titantic isn't sinking.   It already rests on the bottom with the likes of Hoover and Oreck.  Like Carmine.  You need to get up to date.  Yesterday is gone.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HS:

Back at you, sir.  You're the one living in the past.  When dyson products had no track record for performance and dyson shills flooded the forums with hype.  Clever dyson strategy and slickied many unsuspecting vacuum buyers into buying dysons at outrageously high prices.  Those days are over.  Long gone now.  Dyson has a track record and it can't compete on performance with HOOVER and ORECK brands.  Your fave brand is fading fast.  Sinking fast is another way to put it. 

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

Excellent question.  Three things have to happen to jump start dyson sales in 2009 and 2010 enough to weather the current economic tsunami and keep the dyson brand afloat in the USA, its major market. 

1. One or more of the new dyson vacuum products have to land top spots in Consumer Reports rankings and ratings soon. 
2. Dyson has to discontinue problematic models and big box retailers have to deeply discount these models to get them off the shelves and out of the warehouses:  Models like DC07, DC14, DC15, DC16, DC17, DC18, DC20, DC21 and DC24.  They have to be gone. 
3. Dyson has to discount  and/or provide incentives on its latest models like the DC22, 23, 27, 28, 30 and 31 to make them competitive price wise with the big box store brand vacuum prices.  If not, dyson sales will continue to be non-existent except for the discontinued models that will be sold way below MSRP, and have already been counted in dyson sales years ago.

Does James have the wherewithal, time and business skills to do these 3 things?  Time will tell and the clock is ticking. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
First I had to tell you that the Bismark was sunk.  Now I remind you the Titantic has sunk.  Once again Hoover USA was sunk a couple years back.  You and retard are way behind.

CarmineD wrote:
You said the same thing prior to Dyson sinking Hoover.  Hoover USA is dead.  You have told the world for 4 or 5 years that Dyson is doomed.  Maybe if you preach doom long enough it will happen.  In the meantime I have proven you wrong numerous times.

CarmineD wrote:

hi carmine

i gotta say id be blown away if dyson makes it in one of the top spots......he'll be in open water now....with all the other sharks.

more than one of his vacs  in a top spot ? ...just dont see it happening

dc-14  thru 24....consumers already  been burned on these models and they have passed the word...

..so hes gotta clearence these to reel in a new crowd of the uninformed and unknowing .  

dc-22 thru31....hmmmmm lets see.   a  [HIGH END]  dyson at bbx store brand prices...how dare you speak such words MR.CARMINE.

but i do believe its when he lowers the prices to [CHEAP VACUUM ] LEVEL IS WHEN HIS PROBLEMS HAVE JUST BEGUN.

its then that hell have to face the very compitition that has feasted on him in the past issues of CR.... this time at a much lower price...

where the big sharks feed....i in some ways i feel that dyson has avoided this move because he knows the outcome and damage that can and will come from hoover-oreck-panasonic.. ect  ...the performance of his very best  HIGH END  line of vacuums has been bested

by hoover -oreck  and panasonics entry level models.....does dyson have what it takes to survive and pull it out..? maybe.  i think hes a smart guy.

.with some  great  ideas..[ddm]..and deserves credit when its due....but his vacuums are way more  trouble than they are worth.

and even if he does lower prices to bbx store brand level...and some do sell.   nobody wants to work on them ...still.  

 none of us wants to spend the next few [warranty] years working on the same dyson year after year.

 thats why most if not all independants dont want them in the store....because once you sell them.....you gotta service them....

but thats just my opinion.....my freedom of thought  on the issue....i may not know alot about alot of things....but i sure know enough to know to

 STAY AWAY FROM DYSONS  !..........thats all.

HARDSELL wrote:

Beg to differ HS:  Since the dyson launch in the USA, over 7 years ago, I've been critical of the high dyson prices for the lackluster performance.  And the lack of acceptance for dyson products by independent vacuum store owners and operators who have found dysons to be problematic for parts and repairs.  I said the combination of these negatives would bode bad for dyson when the economy tanks, as it has.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1"

For all the reasons you mentioned, dyson vacuums can survive in big box stores only as a niche seller in the USA.  For those consumers who want a higher price bagless vacuum, come what may, and are willing to pay a slight premium, not a typical dyson premium, for the bagless feature.  Of course, once dyson lowers his product prices to the current big box store levels he will have to downsize his work force and operations.  The excess costs are bleeding dyson cash.

Carmine D.