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M00seUK
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Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Original Message Jun 25, 2009 10:06 am |
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In the press today:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.doProduct details:- - Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
- 200 watt motor
- 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
- £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99
I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed? I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning. |
CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #278 Aug 17, 2009 6:44 am |
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Feel free to demonstrate.
DIB DIB,
You are full of crap (again). A dealer is free to tell the truth about any product. Independent dealers carry many lines and customers expect to get honest opinions about all of the lines - including strengths and weaknesses. What part of independent vacuum cleaner store don't you understand? As the repairers of many brands, independents are particularly adept at recognizing strengths and weaknesses in products. I can't imagine an independent dealer agreeing to treat one supplier better than all others.
Dyson can certainly try to censor dealers with contractual obligations to say only nice things about Dyson, but it is never slander to tell the truth. Perhaps you were thinking of some other word.
You claim to have inside information about the contracts between Dyson and independent vacuum cleaner stores. You claim that all employees of the dealers are required to only say nice things about Dysons. Can we assume that your opinions are the official company opinions? Are we to assume that Dyson is such a sleazy company that they have gestapo type forces that go around to see if anyone repairing or selling Dysons is saying not nice things about Dyson? Please explain. Not to good on all those %numbers..dollar value ..never have been. ..but its about the best quality ,performance . multi-use durable vacuum at the best price....that does what the the customer needs it to do....is it not? what are people buying...and from who?.....that tells you who they want and what they like /want. ...dollar value of market doesnt really show what the people....the customer really wants....only my view.. and i may see things backwards due to my lack of knowledge in the the stock /shares market .......i figure if you take care of the customer.....theyll take care of you.
turtle1 Retardturtle,
A good horse race and a fair shot at winning and/or improving is a good thing for all.
DIB Severus,
Take it easy. You take your “vacuum enthusiasm” way-to serious and way-over complicate the uncomplicated.
Like the “truth” dealers you vouch for - you too twist-the-truth (my words) as needed.
DIB
P.S. When you get ruffled, your writing style is dead-on to Venson's. DIB: Just like James, you whine. An honest horse race, not fixed, is good for everybody most importantly the bettors. Honest independent vacuum dealers are good for everybody including the industry and consumers. As I see the dyson business model to date in the USA, dyson needs independent vacuum store owners and operators to repair it's products in and out of warranty. Without them, dyson is lacking for the long haul. We are seeing the evidence of that now with dyson consumers not repairing their dyson products. Whenever you are confronted with the truth, you retreat and name call to divert. Stick to the issues and subject. Are you saying as Severus and 'turtle1' posted that James and dyson strong arm the vacuum stores to sugar coat the dyson shortcomings so as to keep their dyson franchises? Do you have inside knowledge of this? Please share here. Carmine D.
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Severus
If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #279 Aug 17, 2009 10:25 am |
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Severus,
Take it easy. You take your “vacuum enthusiasm” way-to serious and way-over complicate the uncomplicated.
Like the “truth” dealers you vouch for - you too twist-the-truth (my words) as needed.
DIB
P.S. When you get ruffled, your writing style is dead-on to Venson's.
Please explain your words. I'm wondering whether "the truth" and "your words" are even close to being the same. So do you have inside information about the language in Dyson business contracts as you implied? Does Dyson bully dealers by telling them what they can and cannot say? That's what your comments seemed to imply. I'm hoping that you will clarify. I think many of us would be very disappointed to think that Dyson used bully tactics to control what dealers and their employees say. I would like to think that Dyson is above that. Dysons, in general, are fairly good products overall. They've had their big losers, but they've also had some winners. It's taken them a while to figure out how to clean American rugs, but they are making progress. Certainly a 5-6 minute time limit on a handheld doesn't seem like much of a winner to me.
I guess I am honored that my writing style is similar to Venson's. I've always admired him for his opinions, even when they disagree with mine. He has a lot more experience with vacuums than I. It is remarkable to me that someone in the northeast could have the exact same writing style as someone in the southwest given the differences in local dialects. Are you also an expert in linguistics DIB?
This message was modified Aug 17, 2009 by Severus
The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable. The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #280 Aug 17, 2009 1:59 pm |
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Please explain your words. I'm wondering whether "the truth" and "your words" are even close to being the same. So do you have inside information about the language in Dyson business contracts as you implied? Does Dyson bully dealers by telling them what they can and cannot say? That's what your comments seemed to imply. I'm hoping that you will clarify. I think many of us would be very disappointed to think that Dyson used bully tactics to control what dealers and their employees say. I would like to think that Dyson is above that. Dysons, in general, are fairly good products overall. They've had their big losers, but they've also had some winners. It's taken them a while to figure out how to clean American rugs, but they are making progress. Certainly a 5-6 minute time limit on a handheld doesn't seem like much of a winner to me. I guess I am honored that my writing style is similar to Venson's. I've always admired him for his opinions, even when they disagree with mine. He has a lot more experience with vacuums than I. It is remarkable to me that someone in the northeast could have the exact same writing style as someone in the southwest given the differences in local dialects. Are you also an expert in linguistics DIB?
Hello Severus:
Yes, about the same level and degree as vacuums: Zero. I once comlimented Dusty for his word smithing here and DIB got his underwear in a knot and posted a nasty response to me: "Back Off' I believe were his exact words. Dusty had to quote Webster's Dictionary definition of word smithing to DIB to convince and assure him that my post was indeed a huge compliment to Dusty's writing. Carmine D.
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retardturtle1
Joined: May 16, 2009
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #281 Aug 17, 2009 3:16 pm |
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In the context of your many Dyson bad-mouthing posts... When a Dyson dealer distributes what you deem - “an opinion” it is called slander and cause for their dealership termination. Dyson too, [has many more] families to feed. Society can easily survive when less than truthful mom and pops are caught and then shut down. Society has a much tougher time surviving when invention factories and large employers are shut down.
DIB DIB.....I say what i gotta say. ..and stand by all of it...I expressed my views......from first hand day in day out knowledge..im no pro but i am expierenced....and know enough to know when i see a $200 6min waste of time and money......useless. not a wise purchase in any way.......no cord no power.....all bagless vacs are more trouble than they are worth....and society can survive without another overpriced dyson on the market ...if i disagree with you DIB...ill tell you i do and explain why...without second thought...while giving you the respect you deserve.. The dealer / owner....can express his views if they feel another brand is supirior to what they carry......based on exp.. and thats slander...now your really reaching DIB.
turtle1
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Venson
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #282 Aug 18, 2009 2:46 am |
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I guess I am honored that my writing style is similar to Venson's. I've always admired him for his opinions, even when they disagree with mine. He has a lot more experience with vacuums than I. It is remarkable to me that someone in the northeast could have the exact same writing style as someone in the southwest given the differences in local dialects. Are you also an expert in linguistics DIB?
Hi Severus, I am equally honored and, as always, I thank you and so many others here for your kindness. Every known feature, convenience or capability is unlikely to be found in any one machine. My main concern is that the general public gets sound and practical information even though we're only talking about vacuum cleaners. It has never been my desire to insist that someone buy a product just because I like it. What I genuinely want is to be helpful in directing anyone looking toward something he or she can afford, use and be satisfied with over time. I think that responsibility falls upon all of us here. Hopefully, all of our contrasting views will somehow produce a clearer picture for those looking to this forum for good solutions to what should be simple problems. Best, Venson
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #283 Aug 18, 2009 6:50 am |
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Hi Venson, Severus, 'turtle1,' MOLE, Procare, et al. The honest independent vacuum store owners/operators stay in business for the long haul by offering customers choices in floorcare products that meet their houshold needs, budget requirements and personal likes. Let the customers decide by answering their questions and concerns honestly and with integrity. Then, they keep coming back and recommend others. In this way, you make not only a new/used vacuum sale but a long term business relationship. Carmine D. |
Venson
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #285 Aug 18, 2009 11:44 am |
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I see my phrase “being shut down” (my post above) has an involuntary effect - the con’s and their groupies become agitated. I have enjoyed seeing the rats here react. By contrast, honest men and women have nothing to react to. You con’s and con-groupies become easily agitated not unlike thieves, drug dealers, pimps when they hear a sudden knock at the door. The more you react, the more rat-like and culpable you look.<BR><BR><BR>DIB<BR><br type="_moz"/>
DIB, The real deal is that most of us give little weight to name calling, ill-founded allegations and paranoiac speech as to how we're shaking in our shoes because "we've been found out" -- and all because of you. Such stuff usually neither hurts nor bothers the relatively sane. At most, on your behalf, it may instill in at least some of us a sense of pity. But as you are sure your course is correct, by all means continue with your spin on the Gospel: Jimmy Dyson is Jesus and all us Hoover users are going to hell. May you blessed any way . . . Venson
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #286 Aug 18, 2009 12:18 pm |
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Hello DIB: Continuing in Venson's ecumenical response to you I would add DIB: There are none so blind as he who will not see. Simple straight forward requests to you elicit no clarifications/answers on the meaning of your posts implying that strong arm tactics are/will be used by dyson against franchised dyson indies who express their true opinions about its products. Just the usual rants and raves from you that we have all heard before about the indies in the vacuum industry. Well here's a news flash for you. Whether you agree or not these vacuum cleaner indies that you impugn so vociferously here are the back bone of vacuum cleaner repairs/parts businesses. Dyson needs them more than they need dyson. When confronted with the the truth you retreat like a scared chicken and resort to name calling. Why? To divert the focus and attention off the wrongdoer's deeds and onto the truth tellers and truth seekers. Good luck with that. We all see right through you. Carmine D.
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retardturtle1
Joined: May 16, 2009
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Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #287 Aug 18, 2009 3:08 pm |
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I see my phrase “being shut down” (my post above) has an involuntary effect - the con’s and their groupies become agitated. I have enjoyed seeing the rats here react. By contrast, honest men and women have nothing to react to. You con’s and con-groupies become easily agitated not unlike thieves, drug dealers, pimps when they hear a sudden knock at the door. The more you react, the more rat-like and culpable you look.
DIB
Real adult DIB.......nice. with all do respect, ..and no disrespect intended, you do this [ above ] alot when you dodge/avoid requests..
you babble [ above ] on and on ...about the evil independants....are you kidding me? hahaha. gimme a break already.....Your above [ babble ] post really puts your expierence /credibility..[mental health] into question.....its just a vacuum....and no bad vacuum people are coming to get you. so lets move on...shall we. we'll be here waiting for you.....DIB. turtle1
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