Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB,

You are full of crap (again).    A dealer is free to tell the truth about any product.  Independent dealers carry many lines and customers expect to get honest opinions about all of the lines - including strengths and weaknesses.  What part of independent vacuum cleaner store don't you understand?  As the repairers of many brands, independents are particularly adept at recognizing strengths and weaknesses in products.   I can't imagine an independent dealer agreeing to treat one supplier better than all others.

Dyson can certainly try to censor dealers with contractual obligations to say only nice things about Dyson, but it is never slander to tell the truth.   Perhaps you were thinking of some other word. 

You claim to have inside information about the contracts between Dyson and independent vacuum cleaner stores.  You claim that all employees of the dealers are required to only say nice things about Dysons.  Can we assume that your opinions are the official company opinions?  Are we to assume that Dyson is such a sleazy company that they have gestapo type forces that go around to see if anyone repairing or selling Dysons is saying not nice things about Dyson?    Please explain. 

Severus wrote:
Severus,

Take it easy.  You take your “vacuum enthusiasm” way-to serious and way-over complicate the uncomplicated.
 
Like the “truth” dealers you vouch for - you too twist-the-truth (my words) as needed.


DIB


P.S.  When you get ruffled, your writing style is dead-on to Venson's.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Just like James, you whine.  An honest horse race, not fixed, is good for everybody most importantly the bettors.  Honest independent vacuum dealers are good for everybody including the industry and consumers.  As I see the dyson business model to date in the USA, dyson needs independent vacuum store owners and operators to repair it's products in and out of warranty.  Without them, dyson is lacking for the long haul.  We are seeing the evidence of that now with dyson consumers not repairing their dyson products. 

Whenever you are confronted with the truth, you retreat and name call to divert.  Stick to the issues and subject.  Are you saying as Severus and 'turtle1' posted that James and dyson strong arm the vacuum stores to sugar coat the dyson shortcomings so as to keep their dyson franchises?  Do you have inside knowledge of this?  Please share here. 

Carmine D. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Please explain your words.  I'm wondering whether "the truth" and "your words" are even close to being the same.  So do you have inside information about the language in Dyson business contracts as you implied?  Does Dyson bully dealers by telling them what they can and cannot say?  That's what your comments seemed to imply.  I'm hoping that you will clarify.  I think many of us would be very disappointed to think that Dyson used bully tactics to control what dealers and their employees say.   I would like to think that Dyson is above that.  Dysons, in general, are fairly good products overall.   They've had their big losers, but they've also had some winners.  It's taken them a while to figure out how to clean American rugs, but they are making progress.   Certainly a 5-6 minute time limit on a handheld doesn't seem like much of a winner to me.

I guess I am honored that my writing style is similar to Venson's.  I've always admired him for his opinions, even when they disagree with mine.  He has a lot more experience with vacuums than I.  It is remarkable to me that someone in the northeast could have the exact same writing style as someone in the southwest given the differences in local dialects.   Are you also an expert in linguistics DIB?

Severus wrote:

Hello Severus:

Yes, about the same level and degree as vacuums: Zero.  I once comlimented Dusty for his word smithing here and DIB got his underwear in a knot and posted a nasty response to me: "Back Off' I believe were his exact words.  Dusty had to quote Webster's Dictionary definition of word smithing to DIB to convince and assure him that my post was indeed a huge compliment to Dusty's writing. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB.....I say what i gotta say. ..and stand by all of it...I expressed my views......from first hand day in day out knowledge..im no pro but i am expierenced....and know enough to know when i see a $200 6min waste of time and money......useless.  not a wise purchase in any way.......no cord no power.....all bagless vacs are more trouble than they are worth....and society can survive without another overpriced dyson on the market ...if i disagree with you DIB...ill tell you i do and explain why...without second thought...while giving you the respect you deserve..

The dealer / owner....can express his views if they feel another  brand is supirior to what they carry......based on exp.. and thats slander...now your really reaching  DIB.

turtle1

Severus wrote:
Hi Severus,

I am equally honored and, as always, I thank you and so many others here for your kindness.

Every known feature, convenience or capability is unlikely to be found in any one machine. My main concern is that the general public gets sound and practical information even though we're only talking about vacuum cleaners.

It has never been my desire to insist that someone buy a product just because I like it. What I genuinely want is to be helpful in directing anyone looking toward something he or she can afford, use and be satisfied with over time. I think that responsibility falls upon all of us here. Hopefully, all of our contrasting views will somehow produce a clearer picture for those looking to this forum for good solutions to what should be simple problems.

Best,

Venson

Hi Venson, Severus, 'turtle1,' MOLE, Procare, et al.

The honest independent vacuum store owners/operators stay in business for the long haul by offering customers choices in floorcare products that meet their houshold needs, budget requirements and personal likes.  Let the customers decide by answering their questions and concerns honestly and with integrity.  Then, they keep coming back and recommend others.  In this way, you make not only a new/used vacuum sale but a long term business relationship.

Carmine D. 

I see my phrase “being shut down” (my post above) has an involuntary effect - the con’s and their groupies become agitated.  I have enjoyed seeing the rats here react.  By contrast, honest men and women have nothing to react to.  You con’s and con-groupies become easily agitated not unlike thieves, drug dealers, pimps when they hear a sudden knock at the door.  The more you react, the more rat-like and culpable you look.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
DIB,

The real deal is that most of us give little weight to name calling, ill-founded allegations and paranoiac speech as to how we're shaking in our shoes because "we've been found out" -- and all because of you. Such stuff usually neither hurts nor bothers the relatively sane. At most, on your behalf, it may instill in at least some of us a sense of pity.

But as you are sure your course is correct, by all means continue with your spin on the Gospel: Jimmy Dyson is Jesus and all us Hoover users are going to hell.

May you blessed any way . . .

Venson