Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

Severus wrote:

Hello Severus:

Interesting observation about DIB.  When a poor overpriced product [DC16] has a weak advocate [DIB], all the rest of the competition gets the market share and the advertisement is free. 

Save to say that at 2 of the dyson's competitors in the handheld market, the Dirt Devil Ultra and Black& Decker pivot vacuum, one corded with a revolving brush and one cordless with tools, at $35 and $50 keep on going after dyson's DC16 [$150-$200] needs another 3-5 hour charge for 5 minutes more of clean up.  No wonder vacmanuk's friend start's the car clean up with dyson's DC16 and has to finish the job with a Dirt Devil. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Like I said of all your questions, they are meaningless.  The answers are moot to consumers' purchasing decisions for handhelds.  You ask "soup" questions.  5-6 minutes for operation times at $150-$200 for any garage, house and/or car clean up applications is blindly unrealistic.  Hence, dyson and James are pushing the DC30/31 for $300 with a lo speed of 10 minutes and hi speed of 5 minutes.  Neither of which is truly any better than the DC16 for serious clean ups around the house, car and garage.  More importantly, from a new products perspective they are not even comparable let alone better than the Dirt Devil corded ultra and B&D pivot.  The latter two brands/models at a fraction of dyson's prices.

The only bellying up here is being done by you and the weak products you profess/proclaim on behalf of your beloved James w/o buying/using.  BTW how's that cyclonic dyson nose cleaner coming along?  I'm sure it will keep you busy, that is if you take your nose out long enough.

Carmine D.

dc31 dyson =FAIL

D.I.B= FAIL

Dyson enginerirng department= FAIL

Ebay and the repack market here we come[AGAIN]

Get out of the vacuum business, your 6 mineuts of fame are over.


MOLE

DIB, thought you might like to read and apply today's Gospel reading [actually an excerpt] to your situation here.  If you need assistance with the symbolism and meaning, and you may, feel free.  I'll provide you the needed clarification.  At this point I think every poster here on this thread, including HS, has weighed in against you/your erroneous thoughts and beliefs.  Making you, like the Gentiles and tax collectors, an outsider.  A non-believer. 

Carmine D.

Gospel
Mt 18:15-20

Jesus said to his disciples:
“If your brother sins against you,
go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
If he does not listen,
take one or two others along with you,
so that  every fact may be established
on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the Church.
If he refuses to listen even to the Church,
then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.

Dyson could learn something from Toyota about battery powered devices.  You've got to have a back up plan for when the batteries run out.   There's nothing wrong with a cord for handheld devices.    In fact, I'd prefer to see him offer a corded model for far less money.   The weight would drop due to no battery.   It doesn't matter if it has the highest suction of any cordless handheld or best filtration because after 5 minutes it can't clean as well as a broom and dustpan.   A corded model would have the capacity for even greater suction due to the higher voltage available, and not have the serious limitations of a cordless model.  

If you think of the Dyson DC31 as a handheld cleaner, it has serious problems.  But if you consider it a piece of art or status symbol for display in a Dyson enthusiast's home, it is priceless.

Dyson might have more luck branching out into cordless drills, since they are more likely to be used far away from an electrical outlet.

Bravo Severus.

Venson

CarmineD wrote to DIB based on his posts and actions here:

DIB:

The Pastor who read today's Gospel and gave the Homily was much less generous and kind than me.  First the Pastor said where is the God of Love and Mercy?  And answered his own question:  Well, He's still and always here but you can't be "stupid" about it.  And WRT Gentiles and tax collectors, the good Pastor called them 'outcasts," "pagans,' who were excommunicated from the Church.  I get the distinct impression that you are not in good company by your posts and actions here.  Perhaps a leper colony for you is in order.  Uclean, unclean, unclean.  My dyson DC31 for $200 is out of charge and I'm unclean, unclean, unclean! 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Hey DIB
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner! I've had probs logging in for the last couple of days since my last post! JD did write a letter of thanks and said that he would consider it. They also considered a lawn mower as well but that still hasn't come out of the company.

I was saving up (for ages) to buy Dyson's wonderful washing machine but they stopped production so many years ago; a shame really because the design principle was a good one despite the fact that in the UK they were beset with running problems.

Also I'd like to say a few other things with regard to the wonderment of Dyson's handheld. Compared to the "old and tired" Dirt Devil Handy, they both have a similar weight even though the DD is by most standards the older model. What does this say of Dyson? For more modern comparisons my BD Pivotvac PV960GNGB weighs nearly half at 1.6 kg. On the lab test on You tube you can see how easily the BD beats Dyson's running time yet the Dyson is over priced. At the end of the day you can state that the Dyson sucks up a lot more than the other hand vacs but it has to be practical, lightweight and have multiple uses. It may not have a brush bar but it's pivot neck is a god send.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGnM5gFzdfc

Thanks for the youtube clip vacmanuk.  Black & Decker $60 pivotvac with twice the run time of a dyson DC16 and a fraction of the price puts dyson to shame on the wet kitty litter.  And died with the job completion.  Noticed that it couldn't devour the kitty litter either with the oblong tool on or off, but the B&D did with no problem and still had a 100 percent motre charge than a DC16 still left.   

So much for the answer to DIB's moot question.  

Too bad the old tired cordded DD was not in the competition.  It would have beat them all in these tests. 

Carmine D.