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M00seUK


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Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Original Message   Jun 25, 2009 10:06 am
In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

  • Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
  • 200 watt motor
  • 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
  • £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

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Severus


If my vacuum can remove even one spec of dirt that yours misses, then mine is better than yours - even if there's no proof that mine would have picked up as much dirt as yours...

Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 397

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #195   Aug 10, 2009 1:53 pm
DIB,

It's easy to answer your question.  There is no significant time savings from using the Dyson cordless handvac over the Dirt Devil.  

The only advantage the Dyson would ever have over the Dirt Devil is in the event of a power outage.

So how many Dyson hand vacs have you bought?  What personal experience do you have using it? 







DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dyson - Root 6 Animal Bagless Cordless Hand Vac - Iron/Bronze

Model: 00133 | SKU: 8768238

Customer Reviews: 2.4 out of 5 stars 2.4 Read reviews (9)


Carmine,

Type/talk slow as you want, it makes no difference to me.

What do you find most difficult about my question and why do you avoid it? - It’s a fair [consumer] question.

I’ll repeat the question...  Using the DD illustration, what would consumers find faster and easier at cleaning this door rail?
1)  Plugging the DD into an outlet and converting to fit a nozzle and if the rail is longer then it's requires two hands to get the job done OR...
2)  Snapping a nozzle into a DC16 and pulling the trigger and using only one hand regardless of the job requirements?


DIB


The smart tyrant writes his own story to ensure that it is favorable.  The lazy will repeat lines from the book without fact checking. 
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #196   Aug 10, 2009 3:05 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
Being British I have to say that I don't like the hand held cleaners by Dyson. Infact as a collector I originally suggested the idea to Dyson around 7 years ago and wrote a letter to the company stating that it would have been a good idea. However I've owned B&D products for well over 20 years and currently have just bought another one of which I'm very impressed with. Hand held cleaners should be small and easy to use; the current line up of the design just gets me down; far too big, too bulky and difficult to use based on its "paint sprayer" design whilst the noise is off-putting. I've also bought my mum a Vax Kone (here in the UK most DD products from the U.S are rebadged Vax now that they are effectively owned by TTI ) and I have been very impressed with it's general design even though it has had bad press ("Lab Test On You Tube").

When it comes to design companies need to look at how a machine feels and what it is going to be like in normal day uses. This is why I feel, if there is one product on the market that has the best multi versatility around then it has to be Dirt Devil's old but very well thought out Handy model. Yes it uses a mains power cord but I've yet to see any other machine that can beat it. Here in the UK we get the older model with the bag on the back although there is one available with a hard box at the end. Mine is about 20 years old, I use paper bags for it and there have been times when it hasn't got a bag, of which the soft bag can be used for it. Yeah, you need to whip out the attachments and loosen the belt but that's no hardship, particularly when you need something lightweight at the time. My friend who uses her Dyson handheld for cleaning out her car often changes to using my Dirt Devil because of the constant power and the roller beater bar.

VacmanUK,

It was a good idea then and continues to be a good idea.  Did your letter get a reply?

DIB
This message was modified Aug 10, 2009 by DysonInventsBig



Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #197   Aug 10, 2009 4:49 pm
Hi CArmine,

Please tell Mrs. D. -- Danke schön!

Best,

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #198   Aug 10, 2009 6:53 pm
Hello Severus:

WRT the potential advantage of a dyson handheld over the Dirt Devil in a blackout, consider this option:  For almost the difference in prices between a dyson DC31 and Dirt Devil [$280], the DD handcleaner user can purchase the best rated portable generator by Consumer Reports.  Pretty spivy!

Carmine D. 

Basic portable generator, 3,000 watts

Blue Max JD4000 *Est. $280 
This message was modified Aug 10, 2009 by CarmineD
CarmineD


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Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #199   Aug 10, 2009 6:56 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi CArmine,

Please tell Mrs. D. -- Danke schön!

Best,

Venson



Hello Venson:

Jawohl.  Ich woll.  Sehr gut Deutsch mein Herr.

BTW, when Norma read my post to see if I had it all just right:  When she came to the part about the HOOVER Floormate, she quipped:  "And I never will!"  Stubborn German Fraulein. 

Carmine D.

This message was modified Aug 10, 2009 by CarmineD
procare


Joined: Jul 16, 2009
Points: 192

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #200   Aug 11, 2009 12:15 am
                      One of the big things that I hate about DC-16, DC-31 ,B &D, Douglas and other battery powered hand vacs is the life of the batteries and the cost to replace them.  I have not heard any of this in your conversation. It is said to have a cahrge of only 6 minutes at full charge. With 2 performance levels that means the higher performance will eat up the power faster. Hence a shorter use time. Batteries take time to charge. When I use a hand vac in my house I use it longer than 6 minutes. So a corded hand vac works better. ,so much for Dyson's high price 6 minute hand vacuum.

                                                                                                                                                      Procare

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #201   Aug 11, 2009 6:58 am
Hello Procare:

Very true on the battery life.  When I read the reviews about dyson's DC16 operation time, most users criticize the short time and in fact question whether it's actually even 6 minutes, saying it to be more like 4-5 minutes.  What really can be done in that short time for a household clean up application?  Severus has the best answer to date:  Polish the dyson with a dust cloth. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #202   Aug 11, 2009 7:09 am
PS:  If I recall the cost of battery pack on the DC16 is $45.  More than the price of a Dirt Devil.

Carmine D.

procare


Joined: Jul 16, 2009
Points: 192

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #203   Aug 11, 2009 11:48 am
 Back less than 20 years ago Electrolux had a decent handvac that was battery powered and two speed and lasted 15 minutes. The big problem was the battery life and cost to replace them. People I sold never left me because I acknowledged the problem early on and wouldn' sell them one unless they really wanted them.

                                                                                                                                              Procare

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #204   Aug 11, 2009 1:02 pm
procare wrote:
 Back less than 20 years ago Electrolux had a decent handvac that was battery powered and two speed and lasted 15 minutes. The big problem was the battery life and cost to replace them. People I sold never left me because I acknowledged the problem early on and wouldn' sell them one unless they really wanted them.

                                                                                                                                              Procare


Procare:

You name says it all in this business:  You are a 'pro" and you "care."  A winning combination for going the long distance.

I sold Westinghouse canisters for a brief period after I threw HOOVER products out.  W-House were not the best vacuums on the market by a long shot.  I liked the sales rep.  A young Jewish college grad who got shafted by HOOVER and suffered a terrible personal tragedy: The unsolved murder of his 5 year old daughter.  When he jumped to W-House I put the entire line in my store.  I stood behind the products and that was the best selling feature I could make to the customers who bought them.  One of the best personal and professional experiences and joys in my entire business career.

Carmine D.

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