In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

Fortunately HS, nature has given humming birds to wosdom to know beyond a shadow of the doubt where to find nectar.  We have humming birds here in the desert.  In fact in my fron and back yards.  And we have horses too.  I live on a horse trail.  In the years I've been here, visiting and living, I can say without a second thought, that I have never seen a humming bird's beak in that part of the horses anatomy.  I conclude that the humming birds have more wisdom than DIB.

Carmine D.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello 'turtle1'

You're a gentleman and vacuum man, besides a scholar in formation of the vacuum industry.  

Carmine D.

Hello Procare: the Man

Your dear Wife's assessment of dyson's handheld is typical of most women vacuum customers.  DIB alluded to the "high tech" innovator Dc16 pistol grip handle with comparisons to other held held battery power tools.  What DIB/dyson both fail to realize is that pistol grip tools don't appeal to many wifes, mothers, and women in today's households.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

I think there's even more to it than that. Run this by Mrs. D and ask her opinion on my behalf please:

While men are often smitten by technological advances and tailfins, women, usually the ultimate multi-taskers, are generally more concerned with simply "getting the job done" as they have so many other jobs around the house to get on with as well.

It's my feeling that they are not as inclined to care whether cyclonics or a foam or paper filter or nuclear fission captures what they go after with a handheld vac. They just want time and effort minimized. Women, also so unfairly given a bad rap when it comes to keeping an eye on either the road or budget, are probably more inclined to assess price and purpose than men when it comes to household needs. 150 bucks is not a reasonable amount of money to spend on a handheld vacuum -- corded or uncorded -- when bigger issues like overall maintenance of a home and a family's well being are first priority.

The good old dust-buster gained fame, I feel, by way of its being a simple, highly practical device. You took it off its charging cradle, stuck its nozzle in the schmutz you wanted gone and the job was done with the flick of a switch. The machine went back in its cradle and you got on with your day.

In my young years when I probably was in the habit of over-employing vacuum cleaners, it was women who taught me how to clean practically and it was women who imparted upon me the better part of common sense.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

Most definitely.  Tho after 37 years of marriage, I think I know.  Nonetheless, knowing her as I do, I will let her speak.

Carmine D.

Being British I have to say that I don't like the hand held cleaners by Dyson. Infact as a collector I originally suggested the idea to Dyson around 7 years ago and wrote a letter to the company stating that it would have been a good idea. However I've owned B&D products for well over 20 years and currently have just bought another one of which I'm very impressed with. Hand held cleaners should be small and easy to use; the current line up of the design just gets me down; far too big, too bulky and difficult to use based on its "paint sprayer" design whilst the noise is off-putting. I've also bought my mum a Vax Kone (here in the UK most DD products from the U.S are rebadged Vax now that they are effectively owned by TTI ) and I have been very impressed with it's general design even though it has had bad press ("Lab Test On You Tube").

When it comes to design companies need to look at how a machine feels and what it is going to be like in normal day uses. This is why I feel, if there is one product on the market that has the best multi versatility around then it has to be Dirt Devil's old but very well thought out Handy model. Yes it uses a mains power cord but I've yet to see any other machine that can beat it. Here in the UK we get the older model with the bag on the back although there is one available with a hard box at the end. Mine is about 20 years old, I use paper bags for it and there have been times when it hasn't got a bag, of which the soft bag can be used for it. Yeah, you need to whip out the attachments and loosen the belt but that's no hardship, particularly when you need something lightweight at the time. My friend who uses her Dyson handheld for cleaning out her car often changes to using my Dirt Devil because of the constant power and the roller beater bar.

vacmanuk wrote:

Hello Vacmanuk:

Gotta love it!  $150-$300 dysons vice $35 DIRT DEVILS?  Obviously your friend has good taste in friends and their vacuums. 

BTW, while others offered revolving brushes on handhelds like Westinghouse, Apex, etc, Royal/DIRT DEVIL really and truly was the first to perfect it at an affordable price in a handheld vacuum cleaner.  Part and parcel the reasons it is a classic and an icon in the industry.  And apparently on both sides of the pond.  It's timeless.

Interestingly the reviews that rate low say such things as:  Noisey, 20 foot cord is too short, cord wrap comes undone, belts are expensive, and petty such stuff.  When it comes to cleans up and household applications the Royal DD leaves the competition in the dust.  At $35........it's a joy forever.

Carmine D.

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

Mrs. D gave me an earful after reading your post.  As she read through with me over her shoulder she was knodding and speaking in agreement with everything you posted.  E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

I asked my dear Wife to post but she insisted that I post her words for her.  Of course being the faithful devoted and obedient husband that I am, I said Yes, dear.

Her requirements:  More like the commandments from the Ober Ober Boss:

$50-$75  for handheld, tops.  Why?  It's only one tool in the household cleaning arsenal so it can't be as expensive as a full size at 150-$300.  Interesting that these are the hi/lo prices that HS and Severus posted.  Mrs. D did not have time to read those posts.

Pistol grip is out.  Why?  Wrists and hands get visits from Mr. A on occasion.  BTW, Mrs. D had a visit with a rheumatoid/arthritis doctor on this past Friday.  Doc said to her, after massaging her fingers and flirting with her, welcome to the 50's.  Yes, I rocked the cradle!  Elvis set the precedent for me.  Go to Germany, marry a Fraulein.

Is Mrs. D excited about mechanics, innovations, bells and whistles etc on vacuums?  As she said: Poleeze.  Do you think women get up in the morning and say: Wow today I get to vacuum!.  Uh...NO!  It gets squeezed in with the rest of the household chores after the grand babies get their time and attention.  Keep it simple and easy.  Lightweight.  She prefers the DD handcleaner and dust buster.  Like Mrs. D said, they make brooms and dustpans for such things.  And we have several in the house and garage that she uses.  Mrs. D likes the mop and bucket {sound familiar Venson] over the HOOVER Floormate.  She has never used the latter.

WRT budgets, she made it clear to me in no uncertain terms: She controls the purse strings on any and all purchases for the in side the house.  Under $100, I have discretion to splurge.  Over $100, Mrs. D. chimes in for approval.  As she said:  I may be the accountant BUT SHE IS THE BANKER, her professional career before she was a teacher.  She made it clear to me to that our dear daughter is exactly the same.  With 3 grand daughters and maybe more to come.  Women have the money.  they ahve the power.

The vacuum world according to Mrs. D. 

Venson, you have it exactly right on all counts.

Carmine D.

DIB,

So have you gone out and bought a Dyson hand held cleaner yet? 

Your words are pretty empty when you aren't willing to buy one for yourself. 











DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB,

It's easy to answer your question.  There is no significant time savings from using the Dyson cordless handvac over the Dirt Devil.  

The only advantage the Dyson would ever have over the Dirt Devil is in the event of a power outage.

So how many Dyson hand vacs have you bought?  What personal experience do you have using it? 







DysonInventsBig wrote:
Carmine,

Type/talk slow as you want, it makes no difference to me.

What do you find most difficult about my question and why do you avoid it? - It’s a fair [consumer] question.

I’ll repeat the question...  Using the DD illustration, what would consumers find faster and easier at cleaning this door rail?
1)  Plugging the DD into an outlet and converting to fit a nozzle and if the rail is longer then it's requires two hands to get the job done OR...
2)  Snapping a nozzle into a DC16 and pulling the trigger and using only one hand regardless of the job requirements?


DIB