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M00seUK


Joined: Aug 18, 2007
Points: 295

Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Original Message   Jun 25, 2009 10:06 am
In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

  • Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
  • 200 watt motor
  • 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
  • £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #182   Aug 9, 2009 6:26 pm
mole wrote:
You want some insight on yourself D,I,B,

You and Sir Jimmy have an overestimated opinion of yourselves,At this point in time I have grown to believe you are not a vacuum cleaner  repairman, a vacuum historian, an industry professional, area distributor,or even
 interested in this business . You got hired as a corporate cling on by dyson luckily you now can pay off your student loan [it was a waste of time and funds anyway,[your not really good at it ]

When you give us your background in this business then just maybe i'll respond to you . Until you do you dont deserve an answer to any of your questions,Cant Dyson bury you somewhere where you cant hurt  the company anymore.Maybe in R@D desining a high performance cyclonic can opener??????????????

MOLE

Mole,

I seem to of upset you.  What exactly do you not like about my exposing the con men and the con’s they pull-off on the unsuspecting?  If you do not like me opposing and unraveling the con’s don’t talk Dyson.  I’ve pulled apart most of your anti-Dyson attacks and have destroyed many of your anti-Dyson riddles you've thrown out and thrown at me and rocks thrown at better inventions.  You sell high margin, tired, in the public domain, common throughout the industry technologies, Dyson sells their own technologies.  That’s your choice.

Mole, you backed away from me after I destroyed one of your anti-Dyson riddles some time ago.  And I’ve been waiting for another half-way intelligent riddle or statement attacking or smearing Dyson.  Outside of your name calling, you’ve not produced.  Although Carmine has a need to stand tall/tallest amongst his kind here and since no one can silence him, he’s been a great resource.  No one has hurt your industry "segment" more than him.

When the so-called (rock-throwing) experts began to compare the radical yet only battery operated DC30/31 to the [ancient] DD with its limitless household powered and bigger motored handheld I waited and watched.  After they volunteered enough information I used it against them and their techniques.  Is this a problem?


DIB

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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #183   Aug 9, 2009 6:33 pm
procare wrote:
Carmine , Mole , DIB,

     The discussion has got my wife laughing and gave this evaluation after we saw a DC-16 at Sears and tried it. For her it was bulky, not enough cleaning time and wasn't as powerful as the Dirt Devil handvac of her Dad's.  She also didn't like the Dyson machines due to weight , cheap looking plastic, and the attachments.

     I do sell vacuum cleaners of a different brand and do repair.  My wife's opinions are her own and she has whatever cleaner she wants. Right now it is not Dyson and she gave it a fair look as I did but I held my opinion as I do now.

                                                                                                                                                                             Procare


Procare,

I hope your wife enjoys the ride (reading the posts).

I'm sure the DC16 feels heavy to many women and men.  Have you ever used one for any period of time?  The thing has radical suction and it refuses to clog with many, many months of use (if used properly - per the instructions).  For me, the weight is a non-issue.

DIB
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retardturtle1


Joined: May 16, 2009
Points: 358

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #184   Aug 9, 2009 11:07 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:


Carmine will not answer my elementary question (above and inside this post), so would any other bad-mouthing of Dyson products independent vacuum dealers or their groupies care to answer it?  If the question is difficult to understand let me know.

DIB


Evening DIB.....so whats the big hurry or rush about.  why does it matter how fast you can pop a tool on. ...leave the pistol grips to the drills/tools.

Reguardless of what you use...if its got a plug its gonna have the power to get it up....and you wont have to hurry cause your gonna run out of time.

Upright or small canister....just plug it up and clean it up , follow the mess....till its gone. and all while having triple the power at a min....in case you need to get deep in the carpet where the dirt or mess is..or the longer track...you got the power to do it with a small panasonic canister .. power the tiny dyson cant touch or come close to. better to have the power on hand and not need it than to not  have the extra when needed....the few extra steps required to get the job done doesnt  matter.....one hand two hands who cares...you got two of them....use them . wont kill ya.

The xtra steps saved [ cpl min ] are not worth the xtra money....in the the end the best will outpower/perform...and not have a time limit. ..same quality ,more power, at a far lower price....is smart shopping ..-you spent more but didnt get more -..more dollars in the bank. ...is forward progress. 

but i have a question for you...if i may.....do you service vacs in a shop/own... to where you actually work hands on with the units...inside and out.

not trying to be funny or a  smart-a....just curious. ..but reguardless of what you do..dont care if your the fry guy at mky-d......i respect you and your posts...your views -opinions

knowledge.....i was just curious...and in no way trying to compare what i know to what you know.....but we still got a seat saved on the dingy for ya..so whenever you  decide to jump ship...itll be there for ya.

turtle

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #185   Aug 10, 2009 6:52 am
DIB/HS:

I join the concensus here about you.  You need very serious psychological evaluation/help.  You believe your own dyson motivated drivel.  Even HS, your dyson twin [must be separate eggs], knows better than to buy a dyson handheld.  He will go only $50, tops.  Ironically the selling price of the Black & Decker pivot vac.  The dyson competition.  Which BTW rates 5 star ratings.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #186   Aug 10, 2009 6:56 am
Fortunately HS, nature has given humming birds to wosdom to know beyond a shadow of the doubt where to find nectar.  We have humming birds here in the desert.  In fact in my fron and back yards.  And we have horses too.  I live on a horse trail.  In the years I've been here, visiting and living, I can say without a second thought, that I have never seen a humming bird's beak in that part of the horses anatomy.  I conclude that the humming birds have more wisdom than DIB.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #187   Aug 10, 2009 6:59 am
retardturtle1 wrote:

but i have a question for you...if i may.....do you service vacs in a shop/own... to where you actually work hands on with the units...inside and out.

not trying to be funny or a  smart-a....just curious. ..but reguardless of what you do..dont care if your the fry guy at mky-d......i respect you and your posts...your views -opinions

knowledge.....i was just curious...and in no way trying to compare what i know to what you know.....but we still got a seat saved on the dingy for ya..so whenever you  decide to jump ship...itll be there for ya.

turtle


Hello 'turtle1'

You're a gentleman and vacuum man, besides a scholar in formation of the vacuum industry.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #188   Aug 10, 2009 7:09 am
Hello Procare: the Man

Your dear Wife's assessment of dyson's handheld is typical of most women vacuum customers.  DIB alluded to the "high tech" innovator Dc16 pistol grip handle with comparisons to other held held battery power tools.  What DIB/dyson both fail to realize is that pistol grip tools don't appeal to many wifes, mothers, and women in today's households.

Carmine D.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #189   Aug 10, 2009 8:26 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Procare: the Man

Your dear Wife's assessment of dyson's handheld is typical of most women vacuum customers.  DIB alluded to the &quot;high tech&quot; innovator Dc16 pistol grip handle with comparisons to other held held battery power tools.  What DIB/dyson both fail to realize is that pistol grip tools don't appeal to many wifes, mothers, and women in today's households.</p><p>Carmine D.

Hi Carmine,

I think there's even more to it than that. Run this by Mrs. D and ask her opinion on my behalf please:

While men are often smitten by technological advances and tailfins, women, usually the ultimate multi-taskers, are generally more concerned with simply "getting the job done" as they have so many other jobs around the house to get on with as well.

It's my feeling that they are not as inclined to care whether cyclonics or a foam or paper filter or nuclear fission captures what they go after with a handheld vac. They just want time and effort minimized. Women, also so unfairly given a bad rap when it comes to keeping an eye on either the road or budget, are probably more inclined to assess price and purpose than men when it comes to household needs. 150 bucks is not a reasonable amount of money to spend on a handheld vacuum -- corded or uncorded -- when bigger issues like overall maintenance of a home and a family's well being are first priority.

The good old dust-buster gained fame, I feel, by way of its being a simple, highly practical device. You took it off its charging cradle, stuck its nozzle in the schmutz you wanted gone and the job was done with the flick of a switch. The machine went back in its cradle and you got on with your day.

In my young years when I probably was in the habit of over-employing vacuum cleaners, it was women who taught me how to clean practically and it was women who imparted upon me the better part of common sense.

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #190   Aug 10, 2009 8:55 am
Venson wrote:
Hi Carmine,

I think there's even more to it than that. Run this by Mrs. D and ask her opinion on my behalf please:

While men are often smitten by technological advances and tailfins, women, usually the ultimate multi-taskers, are generally more concerned with simply "getting the job done" as they have so many other jobs around the house to get on with as well.

It's my feeling that they are not as inclined to care whether cyclonics or a foam or paper filter or nuclear fission captures what they go after with a handheld vac. They just want time and effort minimized. Women, also so unfairly given a bad rap when it comes to keeping an eye on either the road or budget, are probably more inclined to assess price and purpose than men when it comes to household needs. 150 bucks is not a reasonable amount of money to spend on a handheld vacuum -- corded or uncorded -- when bigger issues like overall maintenance of a home and a family's well being are first priority.

The good old dust-buster gained fame, I feel, by way of its being a simple, highly practical device. You took it off its charging cradle, stuck its nozzle in the schmutz you wanted gone and the job was done with the flick of a switch. The machine went back in its cradle and you got on with your day.

In my young years when I probably was in the habit of over-employing vacuum cleaners, it was women who taught me how to clean practically and it was women who imparted upon me the better part of common sense.

Venson


Hi Venson:

Most definitely.  Tho after 37 years of marriage, I think I know.  Nonetheless, knowing her as I do, I will let her speak.

Carmine D.

vacmanuk


Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
Points: 1162

Re: Dyson DC31 Handheld cleaner
Reply #191   Aug 10, 2009 9:30 am
Being British I have to say that I don't like the hand held cleaners by Dyson. Infact as a collector I originally suggested the idea to Dyson around 7 years ago and wrote a letter to the company stating that it would have been a good idea. However I've owned B&D products for well over 20 years and currently have just bought another one of which I'm very impressed with. Hand held cleaners should be small and easy to use; the current line up of the design just gets me down; far too big, too bulky and difficult to use based on its "paint sprayer" design whilst the noise is off-putting. I've also bought my mum a Vax Kone (here in the UK most DD products from the U.S are rebadged Vax now that they are effectively owned by TTI ) and I have been very impressed with it's general design even though it has had bad press ("Lab Test On You Tube").

When it comes to design companies need to look at how a machine feels and what it is going to be like in normal day uses. This is why I feel, if there is one product on the market that has the best multi versatility around then it has to be Dirt Devil's old but very well thought out Handy model. Yes it uses a mains power cord but I've yet to see any other machine that can beat it. Here in the UK we get the older model with the bag on the back although there is one available with a hard box at the end. Mine is about 20 years old, I use paper bags for it and there have been times when it hasn't got a bag, of which the soft bag can be used for it. Yeah, you need to whip out the attachments and loosen the belt but that's no hardship, particularly when you need something lightweight at the time. My friend who uses her Dyson handheld for cleaning out her car often changes to using my Dirt Devil because of the constant power and the roller beater bar.
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