In the press today:-
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23711862-details/Dyson+with+more+revs+than+F1+racer/article.do

Product details:-

• Motor goes at 106,000rpm 'three times faster than any other motor'
• 200 watt motor
• 65/38 air watts (switchable power??)
• £129.99 GBP RRP, powered brush version £149.99

I think the devil will be in the other details, as we learn them. Presumably it's using the Dyson Digital motor? From the photo, the collection bin looks slightly deeper and has a more prominent release switch. It has improved max suction (DC16 has 36 air watts) so I'm presuming (nay hoping) that it can run in standard mode for more than 5mins and switch to a 'turbo' mode as needed?

I have prefectly good DC16, but I could be tempted by something with a longer run time and twice the already impresive suction for car cleaning.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine - I don't think this comparison is valid for your argument. Those are store ratings, not product ratings. Notice how the Amazon score / number of reviews is identical across both products?

M00seUK:

I wholeheartedly agree.  These tend to be higher than product reviews.  But they are also more numerous balancing out wide fluctuations in small numbers of product review.  Such is the case with the product reviews for dyson's DC16 from BEST BUY consumers.  Of the 9 reviews most save 2 are 1 star.  The 2 for 5 stars skews the overall star rating.  Ratings whether store/product are only one factor of the purchase decision by vacuum consumers.  Not the end all and be all of the buy decisions.  The latter is my point to those who hold up star ratings and chartes as indicative of a product's performance and people's satisfaction.  They are to an extent but very limited.  As I always tell and say, tell me the star rating you want and I'll find it for you somewhere from a source who collects the information

Carmine D.

Moose,
I noticed the same. I did not bring it to Carmine's attention because I knew that he would try to justify his error in his usual manner.
Using Carmine's logic in his response I found a 4.6 star rating for a lawn mower that I like. I know they are not the same products. However, with Carmine's logic as long as I like both brands I can use the high star rating to justify my preference for both products.

CarmineD wrote: Carmine,

Type/talk slow as you want, it makes no difference to me.

What do you find most difficult about my question and why do you avoid it? - It’s a fair [consumer] question.

I’ll repeat the question...  Using the DD illustration, what would consumers find faster and easier at cleaning this door rail?
1)  Plugging the DD into an outlet and converting to fit a nozzle and if the rail is longer then it's requires two hands to get the job done OR...
2)  Snapping a nozzle into a DC16 and pulling the trigger and using only one hand regardless of the job requirements?


DIB


CarmineD wrote:

Carmine will not answer my elementary question (above and inside this post), so would any other bad-mouthing of Dyson products independent vacuum dealers or their groupies care to answer it?  If the question is difficult to understand let me know.

DIB

DIB:

Sorry to disappoint my good dyson friend but I prefer to leave asinine questions left for the inquirer to ponder at his own free time, will and leisure.  They are but a waste of my time.  Obviously, not surprising to me, you don't get it.  There are still a few signs left for people like you.  Hurry why they still last.  Alot like you are scarving them up.

Carmine D.

Hello HS:

There's a sign for you too.

Using my wisdom, I would buy and use the DD handcleaner pictured here despite the consumer product ratings.  Why?  Because I don't hold these in as high esteem/regard as my own personal and professional experience and knowledge of these particular products.  First hand knowlege and experience with the product always trumps unknown consumer reviews.

I recall a poster here, Vacuumfreeeke, who spoke unkindly of Dirt Devil products for many years.  Why?  I surmise that like others he was taken in by the usual negativity regarding the particular name brand and products.  By chance, he had an opportunity to secure a 'used' Dirt Devil Broom vac from quiet a number of years ago.  These are no longer made and sold.  It turned his thinking around about DD at least for this product.  And perhaps it opened his mind to being more open about others too.

The same phenomenon works in reverse.  People like you and your twin DIB as well as dyson shills blast public Forums with how great dyson and Sir James are [worth every penny is the usual giveaway on the reviews as MOLE pointed out here].  You speak glowing lines/lies such as "you get what you pay for' to justify dyson's outrageous prices for its product mediocrity.  Some consumers, not knowing different/better, fall prey to the drivel.  They are not deserving of the same sign as you.  They are just more trusting and judge others as being honest like themselves and without ulterior motives.  Soon they learn the truth and the dysons are returned/traded/junked.  DC16 is a classic example. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I'm just exposing the many not-so-bright *independent vacuum dealer con's [rock-throwing @ DC16, DC30/31] arguments.  Sorry, if you don’t appreciate light shown on this issue.  Blame yourselves.

DIB

*There are certainly good men/women in the business too.

You want some insight on yourself D,I,B,

You and Sir Jimmy have an overestimated opinion of yourselves,At this point in time I have grown to believe you are not a vacuum cleaner  repairman, a vacuum historian, an industry professional, area distributor,or even
 interested in this business . You got hired as a corporate cling on by dyson luckily you now can pay off your student loan [it was a waste of time and funds anyway,[your not really good at it ]

When you give us your background in this business then just maybe i'll respond to you . Until you do you dont deserve an answer to any of your questions,Cant Dyson bury you somewhere where you cant hurt  the company anymore.Maybe in R@D desining a high performance cyclonic can opener??????????????

MOLE

mole wrote:

Hiya MOLE:

You took the words right out of my mouth.  Save one exception.   I was thinking more in terms of a cyclonic nose cleaner for persons like DIB.  His is so far up the part of Sir James anatomy where the sun never shines that it might as well be dyson made.  I'll even write the product review for DIB:  Worth every cent!

Carmine D.

Carmine , Mole , DIB,

     The discussion has got my wife laughing and gave this evaluation after we saw a DC-16 at Sears and tried it. For her it was bulky, not enough cleaning time and wasn't as powerful as the Dirt Devil handvac of her Dad's.  She also didn't like the Dyson machines due to weight , cheap looking plastic, and the attachments.

     I do sell vacuum cleaners of a different brand and do repair.  My wife's opinions are her own and she has whatever cleaner she wants. Right now it is not Dyson and she gave it a fair look as I did but I held my opinion as I do now.

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