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Trilobite
Joined: Nov 7, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #60 Jun 20, 2009 3:27 pm |
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Hello Trilobite: Thanks for the DDM motor schematics. Very interesting. Your pictures pigued my interest. I checked the official dyson specs of the canisters on the dyson UK web site. Interesting results. Dyson's 5 year old DC11 with an encore presentation has 275 air watts. Newest dyson DC19 T2 cann has 280 air watts. DDM DC22 has 200 air watts. 200? That's a far cry from full size power. I'm even suspect of the nice even 200 number. Does the DDM motor actually deliver suction power equivalent to industry standard vacuum motors? Especially at the exorbitant price. The reason for the smallish 7 inch rug nozzle on the DC22 may be the lesser suction power and not the maneuverability in tight spaces. Carmine D.
You mention the DC11 @ 275 Air Watts. I had one for a spell, but found the suction just barely enough for driving the turbo brush, on short to medium pile, UK standard 80/20 wool nylon carpets. I did notice though, that as the pre-motor filter got dusty through normal use, the turbo brush got even more lethargic.
Also, to get full suction, you had to have the telescopic tubes fully extended. If you tried to collapse them, as you might if you were cleaning a surface close up - like stairs, for instance - the suction dropped as air got in at the joins between each tube section. This caused the turbo brush to run even slower. Another problem with the DC11 was the failure of the exhaust filter to stay locked in place. The plastic softened with the motor heat, causing the filter click-tabs to become undone - so much for allergy class filtration!!! Eventually I gave up on it and virtually gave it to a friend. She has laminated floors, and small short pile area rugs. Dyson really should re-assess their cleaners' efficiencies. All the other manufacturers are perfectly aware of the benefits of 'sealed suction' systems, why not Dyson? Dyson should manufacture cleaners with more suction power. Variable power would be a good idea too. And they should address the noise of their machines.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #61 Jun 20, 2009 3:34 pm |
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Carmine,
Indeed, I had a friend translate the Dyson Japanese DDM DC22 web page and packaging after the vacuum launched, it’s the same information (same/near same vacuum) I’ve been posting here. Anyways... I appreciate your “unbiased” [retired] independent dealer spin, twist, slant on Dyson, that’s one of the reasons I participate here.
You’ve been choking (not unlike the vac’s you endorse) on the news that DDM DC22 will sell/is selling here in the U.S. Online Dyson dealers have been selling the turbo nozzled DDM DC22 for some time (as others have posted). Best Buy online has the DDM DC22 Motorhead on their site.
Why would an inventor/manufacturer who’s selling/been selling in Japan for sometime, sell or license his inventions to another manufacturer? Where’s the advantage?
DIB
DIB:
Whenever posters here put the dyson chatter to a scrutiny of confirmation/verification, the dyson posters' response is to impugn/kow tow the questions/questioners. You, like your dyson cohorts here, suffer from rose color dyson glasses' syndrome. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #62 Jun 20, 2009 3:39 pm |
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Is that constant or peak air watts? Air watts are not so important----------unless it is to criticize Dyson.
HS:
I'm using dyson provided air watts data for comparitive purposes about dyson canisters. I made a conclusion supported by reasonable minds here that a DC22 brush bar motor has 30 percent less suction power than a 5 year old DC11 and newest DC19 T2. That's constructive criticism based on dyson provided spec data. Take off the rose color dyson glasses and be honest and objective about the shortcomings of your favorite brand and models. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #63 Jun 20, 2009 3:51 pm |
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HS: I'm using dyson provided air watts data for comparitive purposes about dyson canisters. I made a conclusion supported by reasonable minds here that a DC22 brush bar motor has 30 percent less suction power than a 5 year old DC11 and newest DC19 T2. That's constructive criticism based on dyson provided spec data. Take off the rose color dyson glasses and be honest and objective about the shortcomings of your favorite brand and models. Carmine D. Are you now saying that air watts are critical for performance?
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #64 Jun 20, 2009 3:51 pm |
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DIB: Whenever posters here put the dyson chatter to a scrutiny of confirmation/verification, the dyson posters' response is to impugn/kow tow the questions/questioners. You, like your dyson cohorts here, suffer from rose color dyson glasses' syndrome. Carmine D. Carmine, Not it all. We are only a handful nationwide/worldwide who point out the rampant dishonesty amongst many non-Dyson independent dealers and including the false-Dyson dealers (those who enjoy/profit from Dyson’s warranty work and nail/nearly nail their new and few Dyson’s to the floor). DIB
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #65 Jun 20, 2009 4:05 pm |
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Are you now saying that air watts are critical for performance?
HS:
Dyson uses air watts as a measure of performance for his products not me. I made a logical conclusion about dyson canister models based on dyson's standard of measure for performance. A 30 percent reduction, if we are to believe dyson's standard as relevant to performance, is significant. Or, should we believe that dyson's own measure of air watts is irrelevant and insignificant to dyson performance? Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #66 Jun 20, 2009 4:10 pm |
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Carmine,
Not it all. We are only a handful nationwide/worldwide who point out the rampant dishonesty amongst many non-Dyson independent dealers and including the false-Dyson dealers (those who enjoy/profit from Dyson’s warranty work and nail/nearly nail their new and few Dyson’s to the floor).
DIB
DIB:
Your [and your dyson cohorts here] defense and support for failed dyson products and the shortcomings of existing dyson models undermines your vacuum judgement and credibility not the nebulous vacuum industry dealers you speak of in the generic sense above. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #67 Jun 20, 2009 4:16 pm |
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Why would an inventor/manufacturer who’s selling/been selling in Japan for sometime, sell or license his inventions to another manufacturer? Where’s the advantage?
DIB
DIB:
As I opined, dyson needs the M-O-N-E-Y! Cash. Capital. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #68 Jun 20, 2009 4:28 pm |
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HS: Dyson uses air watts as a measure of performance for his products not me. I made a logical conclusion about dyson canister models based on dyson's standard of measure for performance. A 30 percent reduction, if we are to believe dyson's standard as relevant to performance, is significant. Or, should we believe that dyson's own measure of air watts is irrelevant and insignificant to dyson performance? Carmine D. I asked what you think and not what Dyson advertises. Are you going to tell us what you think or continue to twist around the question? If you are afraid to answer just be honest and tell us that.
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