Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dyson UK has launched (updated) the DC19-T2 which comes in standard and Animal models. New features on this model are:

Detachable Handle/Hose (allows click-fit tools to attach to end of the handle or hose)
Lightweight adjustable Wand
Dual Mode Floor Tool (replaces the standard 'flat out' tool which was on the original DC19 a return to the multi 'contact' head tool the DC08 and DC08TW used)

It has been re-engineered floor tool to remove more dirt from carpets and hard floors. It has the 'now' standard dual crevice and dusting brush tool too. Maybe the 'flat out' tool was not as popular on the original standard DC19!

See www.dyson.co.uk home page for first look!

DC18

Thanks DC18,

My guess is...  the update is more about cost savings and/or creating more universal parts.  The updated wand looks like the DC26 wand.       DIB

Your welcome DIB. Yes the wand does look simiular to the DC26, the top wand handle is different between the 2! You could be right, there is 3 size differances in tube width over all the models so far, so to standard would be good move! Also the DC19-T2 is slightly lighter than the original DC19 looking at the tech details on the website. The hose looks like it attaches different at the base of the machine althought the website does not show how!

DC18

Ive taken a look and don't like the look of this.  Basically, Dyson has become all plastic literally.  Where has the nice high quality heavy steel wands gone that were on the DC02 and DC05?  Dyson started using allumium which I think looks and feels cheap even though they have been using this on their uprights since day one and I have this on my DC04,  I think the cylinders should have steel for their wands unless they are telescopic models but I guess its the way they are going now.  At least the Dyson plastic wands will be stronger than most competitor plastic wands.

The head is basically from the original DC05 from 1999,  this was also used on the DC08 origin.  The only problem with this head Ive experienced myself is the velour threads peeling off the plastic soleplate (Was much better when Dyson used steel on the head before they started using plastic soleplates on their cyliner heads)  I think Dyson realise that the original Dyson designed head is best,  the 'ContactHead' they used on the first DC08 was too much to use with all the articulation - I didnt like them personally.

Dyson seems to particularly fussy with bringing us all these different heads but at the end of the day, people just want to vacuum their carpets and wont be too bothered about this after a while.

Requires less storage space...  The footprint of the new DC19 T2 is smaller than it's predecessor - 75mm shorter (front to back).       DIB

Is this vacuum also know as the DC29?

Thanks DIB I did wonder if the base of the machine was shorter amongst the other slight changes!

<BR> Acerone wrote: <BR>I think your right as I've seen on web searches entries for a DC29 but no picture as such but hints of a canister\cylinder model!<BR><BR>DC18

DC18 wrote:

Could this be it?

from:

https://www.dvdupgrades.ch/product/HouseHold/VacuumCleaner/Dyson/Dyson_DC_29_Allergy_parquet_Fuchsia/272700.html

Trilobite wrote:
Looks like it!

DC18

DC18 wrote:

The thing is, it doesn't look radically different from what has gone before.

As Acerone says, it looks very like DC19 T2.

(What does 'T2' mean anyway?)

Do you get the feeling that there are too many models in the Dyson line up, that are similar in appearance and function?

Trilobite wrote:

Hello Trilobite:

Excellent observations.  Perhaps there is a reason for the redundancy.  Perhaps not.

Typically, vacuum companies will introduce new models yearly with slight variations on the same theme, if a top seller.

I can't say any recent dyson models have been top sellers and its best was probably DC07.

Carmine D.

 

Trilobite wrote:
Definitely! However, I can't fault Dyson alone. There are also too many Eurekas, Hoovers, Mieles, Electroluxes, etc.

Though I may well be deemed daft, I see see absolutely no need for more than three, which still may be too many, of any makers vacuums per type. Go for broke on a super-duper canister or upright? Why not! Make a lesser model that is good but sans the larger part of the bells and whistles on the "deluxe" version? By all means, yes!

Any household can be challenged by just about anything when it comes to day to day cleaning and should have tools on hand capable of handling them as they occur. If I decide on getting a cat or dog tomorrow should I have to dump the vacuum I have after having spent good money? Should I have to retool my cleaning arsenal to deal with getting up bird seed if I buy a canary? I don't think so.

Whether the choice be canister or upright, one vacuum should be able to handle the needs of an average household. For those who an afford more, they are entitled to their indulgence in luxury as long as they are paying for it and I'm not.

I have been outraged for some time by this new BS about "pet," and this, that and the other vacuums as I have had too many furry friends and good vacuums of all types around the house. None of my vacuums came labeled re specialties but all did good work. The only creidt I claim is using common sense when buying.

What has happened is that manufacturers have started hedging their bets in regard to sales possibilities. If they can't sell to prospective buyers one way they try another. Mostly by pitching dubious function that have nothing to do with actual cleaning.

What infuriates me most is that consumers haven't had sense enough to say, "Yo! Get real!" As soon as the consumer can walk into a store with some semblance of real knowledge of what they are buying the better off he or she will be.

Venson

Venson wrote:

Venson,

I must also be daft.  I think one reason that Hoover (US) failed was due to so many models with little more difference than the model #.  I have said time and again that Dyson is following.  Also have to agree with Carmine (hate that) about DC07 being Dyson's best.  I personally do not like having to lug a canister around and storing it because a vacuum can't accomodate tools.  My Kirby is an excellent canister but who the heck wants to play transformers to convert it from an upright.

I also think that too many brands and models was a big part of GM's downfall.

As usual you make more sense than most. 

Too many models syndrome plagues the majority of manufacturers. At our store we try and run with a good, better, best in each line we carry.  For the most part it works like a charm (all though there is always someone that wants a different color) and makes it easy for the customer to decide what it is they require.  Kudo's have to go to Sebo in the model department...3 canisters and 3 uprights and that's about it.  Makes choosing what to inventory very easy.

Dusty

HARDSELL wrote:

Yes indeed.  GM competed against itself for sales.  Like dyson is now.  You can do that [add same models with differnt names] if you are numero uno in the industry with 40 percent market share [like GM was at one time in the USA and HOOVER is still IS today] .  Can't do it when your market share is 18 percent [GM's market share prior to bankruptcy].  Certainly you can't do it when you are a niche product seller like your fave vacuum brand.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Are you referring to Hoover as in the now defunct Hoover USA?  Remember they sold.  Too many models and pith poor quality/performance.  Only bought by those who listen to others and would not know a good from a bad machine.

HARDSELL wrote:

There you go still blinded by those dyson colored glasses.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

At least I can see through mine.  Hoover USA is defunct thanks to Dyson.  Get someone to read this to you.

HARDSELL wrote:

It's not reading that escapes you with the dyson color glasses.  It's comprehension.  You're stuck in 2002-2006 with dyson flying high off the sales of the DC07.  It's ancient history.  Dyson has not had a successful selling product since its DC07.  Why?

Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  Dyson can't fool vacuum customers twice.  Not even you.  You sold your DC07 that you received as a gift and used the proceeds to buy a bagged Royal Eminence.  With loyal customers like you, no wonder dyson can't sell it's latest and greatest.

Carmine D.

Here's the info on the DC29

Thanks Ace.

Steep price: $629 and no air watts amount provided.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

The site is Australian and the cleaner prices at about $501 in our money. Though they most make carerful note that electrical wattage does not count they do not bother to list the air watts the cleaner produces. Wonder why?

Also odd, they have somehow garnered approval from the national asthma society or whatever.

By the way are you aware of the price value comparison say to $89.95 around 1960 as opposed to today?

Best,

Venson

Venson wrote:

Hi Venson:

HAPPY 4th.  I'm not aware of the price amounts/comparisons over the years. 

Carmine D.

Trilobite wrote:
I think the DC19 T2 is the DC29 slightly re-engineered improvements over the existing DC19! T2 - take 2!!! Like the DC08 and DC08 TW (Telescope wrap) models. Yeah of late I do think there can be too many models in the line up! The canister\cylinder models especially in the UK is a good example of this in the Dyson model line up! What they have done of late though is within each model they have simplified the range take the new DC28 there is (well at present!) only too types 'All Floors' and 'Animal' which for me is enough!

Venson wrote:
Works out to about $665.00 adjusted with inflation.

Dusty

dusty wrote:
Wow" Thanks Dusty. The info is much appreciated.

Venson

dusty wrote:

That's amazing.  If I recall correctly KIRBY offered the refurb warranty for life at $12.50 in 1960.  Not sure what it is today.  I suspect $200-$300?  Anyone know for sure and want to share?

Carmine D.

DC18 wrote:

When the economy is booming, as it was, offering lots of variations on the theme for different prices is healthy.

When the economy is tanking, it's a waste of time.  And money from cost to produce, market and sell perspectives and from buyers'  perspectives.  Not worth the time and trouble and money.  Less is more.

Carmine D.