Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Did anyone notice that the DC11 is back on some of the Dyson websites... Here's one that I thought was gone forever...

CarmineD wrote:

No implication HS.  Just giving you the same you give here.  ORECK stores nationwide typically use several new dyson models including a DC07 in customers' tests with its own ORECK models for carpet cleaning.  All types of dirt, litter, hair, thread, sand, kapoc, baking soda, candy, cereal and other such things routinely found in/on household rugs.  ORECK uprights always win over dyson.   Makes the ORECK sales for all those who ask about dyson.

Carmine D.

Oreck's don't always win.  Same with the Kirby.  The DC14 passed every trick the salesman tried.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

I was temporarily diverted by your dyson cohort.  I didn't forget this analogy which you used and is worth more commentary.  In light of GM and Chrysler's recent bankruptcy filings and billion $ bailouts by the Feds, note that Ford, as in Henry and the inventor of the Model T and assembly line production, is the only profitable American made car maker in the USA after 100 years.  In fact the recent retro Mustang outsold HONDA's newest and latest hybrid "Insight" in May despite rising gas prices and the worse car sales in decades.  Like me, if David ORECK and his family members and employees read your post, they would most probably say they are doing things right from a US manufacturing perspective.  ORECK's icon lightweight uprights are still made in the USA.  ORECK's 2008 sales results, while other vacuum makers' sales were plummeting, prove their business model is successful even in good times and bad.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS, as usual you are wearing your dysoin-issued rose colored dyson glasses.  DC07 and DC14 are kaput, discontinued, being sold at discount prices.  They are getting bandied about, new and used, on sale by all dyson retailers.  If winning is a function of longevity, as in the last vacuum still selling, ORECK beats your fave brand/model in that matchoff too. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Geometry HS.  Get with in.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

DIB:

Your fave company's founder can take important lessons from the fates of Durant, Sloan, and Smith.  Having 5 car brands going back to 1912, Chevy for the hoi polloi, Pontiac for the poor but proud, Oldsmobile for the comfortable but discrete, Buick for the striving and Cadillac for the rich.  These 5 brand models cannibalize their own sales.  In good times it may not matter.  In bad times, in concert with increasing costs and expenses [read dyson hiring 400 more employees in 2007 an increase of 20 percent on the brink of the worse global recession in over 50 years], it's a train wreck waiting to happen.  Train wrecks are failures.  They lead to bankrupty and foreclosure.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

HS, as usual you are wearing your dysoin-issued rose colored dyson glasses.  DC07 and DC14 are kaput, discontinued, being sold at discount prices.  They are getting bandied about, new and used, on sale by all dyson retailers.  If winning is a function of longevity, as in the last vacuum still selling, ORECK beats your fave brand/model in that matchoff too. 

Carmine D.

IF a frog had wings we know the result.  Oreck lost in performance.  That is what I was buying.  Hoover lost because it is now defunct except in name.  HOOVER LOST.

HARDSELL wrote:

A new innovative dyson product for $500 that sits on the shelf collecting dust. 

I still own and use my ORECK after 2 years in my home and gifted 3 new ones just like it away to others who enjoy using their ORECKs.  You sold your dyson after 2 years and bought a bagged Royal.  Looks like ORECK wins, HS.  Actions, not words, speak loudest.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

A Dyson will collect more dirt/dust on the shelf than your Oreck collects when running.

Glad you like the Oreck.  That still doesn't make it a good performer.I kept the Oreck maybe 2 weeks and the DC07 more like 3 years. I now own a Royal, Kirby and Rainbow.  I booted the Oreck never to have another in my home.  Your usual logic would show Oreck as winner. No one else would see it that way. BTW, that old Z that you predicted to be the demise of Dyson sure left your home in a hurry.Very amusing that you sold and used Hoover for so many years and now you use Oreck.  Actions do speak loudly.

honest curousity...i had read somewhere that  the DDM /CANISTER was a great hit in asia,where  japan[ i think] had bought the rights to it . my question is  if u have a stellar motor then why not bring it market in your top end vacs and crush all who challenge.[ why so long to get here]..im not a big fan of dyson in any way..at all.. but i do like what i hear  or have heard abt the DDM...id ask the same question if my 2 favorites  RICCAR/PANASONIC had a DDM avail. ...and if proven to be better id pull out the current motor and without 2nd thought drop in a DDM ....its like not bringing your fastest car to the big race.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello retardturtle1:   This is for HS's benefit too and others here who cry foul whenever I say what I think about their fave brand, company and models.  A dyson I actually liked was the All Carpets which was a Wal*Mart exclusive in 2003.  No gawdawful noisey problem prone clutch.  Sold new for $319 but discounted for $278 and less.  It wasn't the best rug performer sold, due to the whimpy brush, but okay.  Dyson and W*M srubbed it in short order.  W*M scapped it in favor of a 2 year dealer with the HOOVER FUSION [TTI produced] in 2005.  The FUSION was a huge seller for W*M.  Perhaps dyson was pre-empted from reusing the All Carpets due to its contract with W*M.  Sort of like Japan and the DDM.

The DDM DC22 was supposedly launched at the VDTA in Feb 2009 to be a dealer dyson here in the USA.  Best kept secret in the vacuum industry in 2009.  It did a Claud Rains and became invisible.  Did dyson need the money so took the deal with Japan?  Maybe some of the dyson insiders here will say.  Maybe not.

Carmine D.