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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #27 Jun 17, 2009 8:27 pm |
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Are you implying that a matchoff in an Oreck store would favor the Oreck. I always knew they were using a stacked deck. That was my reason for using baking soda.
We can see through those rose colored glasses. You can't see through those blinders you wear. Otherwise you would know that Dyson slayed Hoover in spite of your BS.
No implication HS. Just giving you the same you give here. ORECK stores nationwide typically use several new dyson models including a DC07 in customers' tests with its own ORECK models for carpet cleaning. All types of dirt, litter, hair, thread, sand, kapoc, baking soda, candy, cereal and other such things routinely found in/on household rugs. ORECK uprights always win over dyson. Makes the ORECK sales for all those who ask about dyson.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #28 Jun 17, 2009 8:33 pm |
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Sorry guys I MUST concur here. Its simply not enough to rely on statistics, believing ALL the hype that consumer reports do = after all Im sure some of you have vacuums that have been slated in the past and yet they give you sterling service. Granted, some statistics are worth relying on but they don't create a whole picture. <BR><BR>I'll give you an example; on here (and I can't remember whether it was a review or not) someone mentioned that the Sebo Felix gave poor carpet performance. Not in my home! If I go over the whole carpet with the Felix and then a bagless vacuum with no dirt in the bin, hardly any other dirt comes to the surface which the cyclonic system produces. This isn't a lab test but purely one that's done by me. <BR><BR>Similarly I got a surprise when I did the same testing with a claimed "best performance" Panasonic bagged upright and the bagless test- the cyclonic vac produced a lot more dirt after the Panasonic had gone over the same carpet.
Here's a good video with a Dyson in it!
http://fwd.five.tv/videos/jon-tests-vacuum-cleaners
Hello vacmanuk:
I went back into the Consumer Reports archives several years and can't find a ranking/rating for the SEBO Felix. However, I noted going back to 2005, that CR routinely rates the SEBO Automatic X4 as GOOD and EXCELLENT in carpet and floor cleaning. Tho a different SEBO model, quite similar in brush roll design and function, the CR results and yours are congruent. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #29 Jun 17, 2009 9:39 pm |
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Hello vacmanuk: I went back into the Consumer Reports archives several years and can't find a ranking/rating for the SEBO Felix. However, I noted going back to 2005, that CR routinely rates the SEBO Automatic X4 as GOOD and EXCELLENT in carpet and floor cleaning. Tho a different SEBO model, quite similar in brush roll design and function, the CR results and yours are congruent. Carmine D. How can they be congruent and different?
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HARDSELL
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #30 Jun 17, 2009 9:41 pm |
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Are you implying that a matchoff in an Oreck store would favor the Oreck. I always knew they were using a stacked deck. That was my reason for using baking soda. We can see through those rose colored glasses. You can't see through those blinders you wear. Otherwise you would know that Dyson slayed Hoover in spite of your BS.
No implication HS. Just giving you the same you give here. ORECK stores nationwide typically use several new dyson models including a DC07 in customers' tests with its own ORECK models for carpet cleaning. All types of dirt, litter, hair, thread, sand, kapoc, baking soda, candy, cereal and other such things routinely found in/on household rugs. ORECK uprights always win over dyson. Makes the ORECK sales for all those who ask about dyson.
Carmine D. Oreck's don't always win. Same with the Kirby. The DC14 passed every trick the salesman tried.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #31 Jun 18, 2009 6:53 am |
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Dyson’s experimenting and turning these experiments into product have proven to be money makers. Even the Model-T of vacuum manufacturers, that is... Oreck, played around with a steerable upright, although only somewhat-steerable. DIB
DIB:
I was temporarily diverted by your dyson cohort. I didn't forget this analogy which you used and is worth more commentary. In light of GM and Chrysler's recent bankruptcy filings and billion $ bailouts by the Feds, note that Ford, as in Henry and the inventor of the Model T and assembly line production, is the only profitable American made car maker in the USA after 100 years. In fact the recent retro Mustang outsold HONDA's newest and latest hybrid "Insight" in May despite rising gas prices and the worse car sales in decades. Like me, if David ORECK and his family members and employees read your post, they would most probably say they are doing things right from a US manufacturing perspective. ORECK's icon lightweight uprights are still made in the USA. ORECK's 2008 sales results, while other vacuum makers' sales were plummeting, prove their business model is successful even in good times and bad. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #32 Jun 18, 2009 7:01 am |
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Oreck's don't always win. Same with the Kirby. The DC14 passed every trick the salesman tried.
HS, as usual you are wearing your dysoin-issued rose colored dyson glasses. DC07 and DC14 are kaput, discontinued, being sold at discount prices. They are getting bandied about, new and used, on sale by all dyson retailers. If winning is a function of longevity, as in the last vacuum still selling, ORECK beats your fave brand/model in that matchoff too.
Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #34 Jun 18, 2009 7:14 am |
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DIB: I was temporarily diverted by your dyson cohort. I didn't forget this analogy which you used and is worth more commentary. In light of GM and Chrysler's recent bankruptcy filings and billion $ bailouts by the Feds, note that Ford, as in Henry and the inventor of the Model T and assembly line production, is the only profitable American made car maker in the USA after 100 years. In fact the recent retro Mustang outsold HONDA's newest and latest hybrid "Insight" in May despite rising gas prices and the worse car sales in decades. Like me, if David ORECK and his family members and employees read your post, they would most probably say they are doing things right from a US manufacturing perspective. ORECK's icon lightweight uprights are still made in the USA. ORECK's 2008 sales results, while other vacuum makers' sales were plummeting, prove their business model is successful even in good times and bad. Carmine D.
DIB:
Your fave company's founder can take important lessons from the fates of Durant, Sloan, and Smith. Having 5 car brands going back to 1912, Chevy for the hoi polloi, Pontiac for the poor but proud, Oldsmobile for the comfortable but discrete, Buick for the striving and Cadillac for the rich. These 5 brand models cannibalize their own sales. In good times it may not matter. In bad times, in concert with increasing costs and expenses [read dyson hiring 400 more employees in 2007 an increase of 20 percent on the brink of the worse global recession in over 50 years], it's a train wreck waiting to happen. Train wrecks are failures. They lead to bankrupty and foreclosure. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #35 Jun 18, 2009 7:39 am |
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Oreck's don't always win. Same with the Kirby. The DC14 passed every trick the salesman tried.
HS, as usual you are wearing your dysoin-issued rose colored dyson glasses. DC07 and DC14 are kaput, discontinued, being sold at discount prices. They are getting bandied about, new and used, on sale by all dyson retailers. If winning is a function of longevity, as in the last vacuum still selling, ORECK beats your fave brand/model in that matchoff too.
Carmine D.
IF a frog had wings we know the result. Oreck lost in performance. That is what I was buying. Hoover lost because it is now defunct except in name. HOOVER LOST.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC11 is Back!
Reply #36 Jun 18, 2009 7:57 am |
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IF a frog had wings we know the result.
A new innovative dyson product for $500 that sits on the shelf collecting dust. I still own and use my ORECK after 2 years in my home and gifted 3 new ones just like it away to others who enjoy using their ORECKs. You sold your dyson after 2 years and bought a bagged Royal. Looks like ORECK wins, HS. Actions, not words, speak loudest. Carmine D.
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